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Viga_of_stars
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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Location: Washington D.C. in the Anime Atelier
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:39 pm
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wow
im a yuri n00b. im mostly yoai/shonen ai
but i di dip into shojoai/yuri a bit. im i the only girl excited here?
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Neverwhere
Joined: 17 Jun 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:07 pm
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Viga...I think you'll find if you read back just a few posts quite a few women are pleased to hear this, including myself.
I also would like to re-iterate the point that yuri is not purely a 'fanboy' thing, nor is it the 'opposite' of yaoi. I am an adult female who enjoys both yuri and BL, and I really don't see why the two should be opposed to each other. I am always willing to at least try anything with an interesting (or amusing) plot and characters, regardless of what the genders involved may be. I really liked the Marmite manga and Kashimashi anime (especially Kashimashi, as it was fluffy bubblegum fun) and I look forward to reading more. I do think yuri needs more exposure, but I'm sure that will come soon enough -- BL wasn't exactly well known outside of japan even just a few years ago, after all.
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Richard J.
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:03 pm
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J-Syxx wrote: | Most yuri fans are girls, but this fact goes over people's head becuase they don't know what they're talking about. There are males of course, but they aren't as dominant as some people assume. This manga line will probably be releaseing non-porn romance manga, not the stuff that horny losers go to 4chan for. Its not really the yuri fan community's fault that the term was high jacked by porn sites so the tern shoujo-ai had to be created just so people could search for what they wanted to find. |
I don't know if you intended to imply that male yuri fans are "horny losers" who are only interested in porongraphic depictions of girls in love, but that's the impression your phrasing is giving me.
As a male, I'm insulted by that implication, whether it was intentional or not. I won't claim to not be interested in the more sexualized imagery, but I happen to find the emotional interplay of the characters and the turns of plot to be, by far, the most important aspect of any story. Without SOME sort of emotional element, a graphic sex scene has no value in a story.
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JackBassV
Joined: 12 May 2004
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Location: Coventry, England
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:09 pm
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Even in Japan, Male Yuri fans are a very small minority.
It came as a shock to some that nearly 20% of viewers of the Marimite anime were male (I would post the url for this, but it's dead). Okay that series is more Shoujo-ai, but you get the picture.
I'm a guy who just happens to like reading manga aimed at women. Why? Because the stories are deeper (for the most part), and I like looking at pretty girls.
Neverwhere (a great series), I have to agree with the bubblegum point. Kashimashi is a great series, even with the occasional angsty moment.
Seven Seas releases just cannot come quickly enough.
JBV^_^
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Renaisance Otaku
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:20 pm
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darkchibi07 wrote: | THANK YOU, GOD!!!!
Now comes Phase 2 of my imaginary plan.......buying them! |
My sentiment exactly. After surviving Yaoicon, this news couldn't be better timed. It's about time yuri got more recognition. Yaoi is way too dominent at the moment.
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Neverwhere
Joined: 17 Jun 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:37 pm
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Renaissance...*chuckles* I also just 'survived' Yaoi-con, and agree that Yuri needs more recognition. I know there is a Yuri-con, but it isn't a yearly event (yet), and needs a bit more actual product, imho, to become as successful as Yaoi-con.
Yuri will become more prominent, we just need to be patient. And buy the goods when they are released, of course. *grins*
Yuri just needs a certifiable hit like Gravitation to make it big internationally. Unfortunately, I don't know if there is one just yet that has the cross-over appeal (and humour) that made Gravi so ridiculously popular.
JBV...Neil Gaiman is my favourite author, and I'm so glad I'm not the only one who loves Neverwhere (in both novel and deliciously cheesy tv series form ;- ). Go you!
And THANK YOU for admiting you actually read 'girl' manga -- I know men like you exist, I just have such trouble finding them myself. Men reading shoujo and josei manga isn't uncommon in japan, but it seems like anathema for boys to even *think* about reading them everywhere else, which really is so sad, they're missing out on some of the best written, most mature and compelling titles out there. (Okay, perhaps I'm a teeeny bit biased as I'm deeply in love with Kimi wa Pet, but you know what I mean. : )
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britannicamoore
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:40 pm
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Renaisance Otaku wrote: |
darkchibi07 wrote: | THANK YOU, GOD!!!!
Now comes Phase 2 of my imaginary plan.......buying them! |
My sentiment exactly. After surviving Yaoicon, this news couldn't be better timed. It's about time yuri got more recognition. Yaoi is way too dominent at the moment. |
I have to wonder that if Yuri was the big thing people talked all the time like yaoi would you guys complain yuri was too dominent. is it a matter that you don't liek yaoi or just don't like people talking about it?
I like yuri a lot myself, so i'll support Seven Seas. But its annoying to see people forever putting down yaoi. yes there are some crazy fangirls. But i've met a few crazy yuri boys/girls as well. And they are just as annoying. If you talk about one you have to mention the other.
not looking for a fight just stating my opinion.
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omar235
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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Location: Florida, Jacksonvile
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:40 pm
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J-Syxx wrote: | There are males of course, but they aren't as dominant as some people assume |
Come on J-Syxx, the reason we male yuri/shoujo-ai/shoujo fans are making a big deal is because we aren't very dominant...mainly cause many don't like to admit it for some reason. I can't deny I don't like "that" sort of yuri (just look at the avatar ) but that is definatly not the only reason for watching yuri or any anime for that matter. I happen to enjoy the light hearted stories and the dramas since they are very deep/well written stories. Maybe my comment was a bit mean but those yoai fan girls that squeal and jump up and down annoy everyone I know...especially with those paddles.
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JaneA
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:40 pm
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Quote: | Seven Seas Entertainment announced today the launch of North America ’s first ever “Yuri” line. |
I think it is very unfortunate that an error as obvious as this was allowed onto ANN. Why, only yesterday ANN was announcing ALC Publishing's next all yuri title!
I think it's a good thing that there will be more yuri available, but after all the hard work Erica Friedman has done to bring yuri onto a center stage, I can't help but feel that she's been slapped in the face with the above statement.
I hope that Seven Seas will acknowledge their error and that fans will continue to support ALC Publishing...the first all yuri publisher in America.
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HitokiriShadow
Joined: 09 May 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:52 pm
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Well, maybe they meant the first line, as in one line among other books. Like how Tokyopop and DMP have their yaoi/blu line. ALC doesn't have a line since its all yuri.
That probably isn't the case, but its a possiblity.
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Pleroma
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:00 pm
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I would think the yuri demographic in the states would skew significantly male, but we shall see. Don't forget Japanese males have a whole boatload of sexual dominance issues, hence why most Yuri that makes it to anime form does some impressive contortions to present itself as "gay but not really."
Great news either way, Seven Seas seems like a smart company and hopully their gambles will pay off.
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JaneA
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:05 pm
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HitokiriShadow wrote: | Well, maybe they meant the first line, as in one line among other books. Like how Tokyopop and DMP have their yaoi/blu line. ALC doesn't have a line since its all yuri.
That probably isn't the case, but its a possiblity. |
Yes, it is possible...and one that would make it even worse, IMO. That would suggest, to me, that they're grandstanding simply for the sake of attracting attention.
Announcing their own yuri line would have been fine. Saying they are the first is stealing ALC's thunder.
But, thank you, Hitokiri Shadow, for the suggestion. I hadn't thought of it in that light.
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Renaisance Otaku
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:19 pm
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britannicamoore wrote: |
I have to wonder that if Yuri was the big thing people talked all the time like yaoi would you guys complain yuri was too dominent. is it a matter that you don't liek yaoi or just don't like people talking about it? |
I always love how whenever someone says something along the lines of being "too dominent" it's always taken as, "I don't like it/don't like others who like it". If I meant that, I'd say that.
It's not like that at all. I have no problem with Yaoi as an artform and fandom. Would I honesty have gone to Yaoicon if I did? Use a little ingenuity and read into things a bit. I merely was comenting on how it basically has the prescience and gets all the love whereas Yuri dosn't. Sure if it were reversed I'd probably say the same thing, but I do confess being a lot more perceptive to Yuri. I am a straight young adult male after all.
Quote: | I like yuri a lot myself, so i'll support Seven Seas. But its annoying to see people forever putting down yaoi. yes there are some crazy fangirls. But i've met a few crazy yuri boys/girls as well. And they are just as annoying. If you talk about one you have to mention the other.
not looking for a fight just stating my opinion. |
Where did I put down Yaoi? I jokingly referred to addending Yaoicon as "surviving it" as I didn't truly expect to enjoy it much and was proven wrong. Then I bemused about how I'd like Yuri to have as much presence as Yaoi. I made no referrence to eithers fans either.
omar235 wrote: | Maybe my comment was a bit mean but those yoai fan girls that squeal and jump up and down annoy everyone I know...especially with those paddles. |
Funny you should mention those. My friend and I bought Yuri paddles at AX (yes, they do exist, I've had people refuse to believe it) specifically to carry them at Yaoicon. They don't allow them. I had to leave it in the room. They allow costume weapons though.
Got to love a weapons policy that permits sharp, metal katanas but not light, wooden paddles.
There was Yuri at Yaoicon by the way. If you knew where to look *cough*thedance*cough*
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britannicamoore
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:26 pm
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Renaisance Otaku wrote: |
britannicamoore wrote: |
I have to wonder that if Yuri was the big thing people talked all the time like yaoi would you guys complain yuri was too dominent. is it a matter that you don't liek yaoi or just don't like people talking about it? |
I always love how whenever someone says something along the lines of being "too dominent" it's always taken as, "I don't like it/don't like others who like it". If I meant that, I'd say that.
It's not like that at all. I have no problem with Yaoi as an artform and fandom. Would I honesty have gone to Yaoicon if I did? Use a little ingenuity and read into things a bit. I merely was comenting on how it basically has the prescience and gets all the love whereas Yuri dosn't. Sure if it were reversed I'd probably say the same thing, but I do confess being a lot more perceptive to Yuri. I am a straight young adult male after all.
Quote: | I like yuri a lot myself, so i'll support Seven Seas. But its annoying to see people forever putting down yaoi. yes there are some crazy fangirls. But i've met a few crazy yuri boys/girls as well. And they are just as annoying. If you talk about one you have to mention the other.
not looking for a fight just stating my opinion. |
Where did I put down Yaoi? I jokingly referred to addending Yaoicon as "surviving it" as I didn't truly expect to enjoy it much and was proven wrong. Then I bemused about how I'd like Yuri to have as much presence as Yaoi. I made no referrence to eithers fans either. |
no no, i quoted you for the "dominat" thing i was refering to the whole set of posts in general. i should have probably left it as just an actual post without pointing out anyone. My mistake.
i'm sorry if i offended anyone. I realize everyone is just looking out for their fave fandom.
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Renaisance Otaku
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:27 pm
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Ah. Yeah, when speaking in general, quoting tends to muck that intention up. No harm done I suppose.
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