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ATastySub
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:39 pm Reply with quote
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Though I would also say even in the West this is a common tactic of conspiracy theorists to try and normalize their views by arguing they're not actually conspiracy theorists and they're "just asking questions." Most media savvy conspiracy theorists will rarely actually label themselves as such as a way of deflecting criticism and making it seem like everyone else is the ones being unreasonable. Like most anti vaxxers will never actually say they hate all science or that they don't believe in any medicine but they just have "concerns" about mercury and they want "safe" vaccines or whatever. So like if Konaka is supporting known alt right media figures and using his platforms to advance their ideas, it's pretty much a distinction without a difference at that point and unless he's completely lost any rational thinking, Konaka is never going to explicitly say he's alt right, especially if he's still hoping to get that Despera anime funded.


Does anyone actually call themselves 'alt-right'? Non-ironically or as a joke to mess with people I mean. I've really only ever seen it used as a label people apply to people without their consent for silly things like liking or disliking certain movies or TV shows. Like someone said earlier, obvious a Japanese person is not going to be 'alt right' if that means being a white supremacist or whatever. No offense, but for all talk about folks disliking conspiracy theories stuff like this sounds like a conspiracy theory itself. "No no, you don't get it, this is what they REALLY mean! It's all a ruse! You got to read between the lines and remove the wool from over your eyes to finally see the truth.". Not everyone who thinks censorship sucks has some kind of ulterior motive. Humans are complex creatures with a variety of different thoughts and beliefs. Most of these things are not partisan issues at all.

This is probably completely disingenuous but I’ll respond for the benefit of anyone else reading this thread. Plenty of bigots happily labeled themselves “Alt-right” for a good long while, because it was a cover term for their outright bigotry. The reason they mostly stopped self-describing as such was the big coming out party for the Alt-right, Charlottesville. Where they thought they were popular enough to drop the mask and show what everyone paying attention knew all along. That they were Nazis. So they pretended that’s not who they were by once again adopting new labels for themselves. “America First” and “classical liberal” “white nationalist” etc. This again isn’t new. Bigots love to hide behind semantics because then they can avoid being held accountable for their actual views. Of course they’re not going to self-describe as what they actually believe because that has baggage that torpedos their entire charade. And while alt-right in many places is aligned with outright White Supremacy it doesn’t mean simply directly. There are plenty of alt right Japanese who support the same exact things as White Supremacists while believing themselves superior. Xenophobia takes many forms, and is why you see plenty of White Supremacists highly supportive of supremacist states like Israel, and of course the mythical fake Japan they’ve built up in their heads. Where it’s a miracle conservative land devoid of forgeigners and their influences. Of course this isn’t reality, but it’s easy to convince yourself of when your only goal is finding excuses for bigotry. So when Konaka is described as “alt-right” it’s because he’s peddling the same exact arguments. Conspiracies about globalists and jews, treating ‘freedom’ as a weapon for bigotry, and ultimately fighting against reality in favor of a worldview that places an emphasis on racial superiority. In short, when describing someone you listen to their actions along with their words, because they’re more than happy to lie to your face to achieve what they want.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:14 pm Reply with quote
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Nah, even more explicitly political than that. In the classroom I've been in for two weeks, there's a book about the "residential schools" that took indigenous children away from their families, cut their hair, and abused them. I've read books about water protectors, people who protest gas and oil pipelines that could potentially pollute the water supply and environment; about Pride; about public figures like Ruth Bader Ginsberg and a variety of other public figures. We have a book called "Antiracist Baby". One of my favorite books to read to toddlers is called "Everywhere Babies" and depicts a huge variety of ethnicities and family structures in a very casual, but also clearly deliberate way.

I'd say if anything, books aimed at young children tend to be more strongly political than those for other age ranges, because so many of them serve a didactic function and have values encoded in them.


And here we are in 2021 with people trying to whitewash if not outright ban teaching of things like slavery, segregation, & systemic racism while celebrating people like Robert E. Lee and Nathan Bedford.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:33 pm Reply with quote
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In case you didn't read the article, Konaka himself has been posting about his beliefs in dangerous conspiracy theories on his blog (such as misinformation about COVID-19) and that he trusts a conspiracy theorist YouTuber over professionals in the academic/scientific sphere. He literally admitted it on his blog.

His views about "cancel culture" did not come out of nowhere. While boycotts do exist in Japan, the history and nuance behind "cancel culture" as a phrase was created from the West. The "cancel culture" stuff came from how his favorite conspiracy theorist YouTuber got banned (and rightfully so as he was spreading misinformation). It's not hard to notice how his views have bled into the script that he 100% wrote for this event.


If the article was just the first two paragraphs talking about how the Digimon characters fight political correctness, then you would have no reason to think anything more of it like other times ANN has reported on a show making a statement or getting political. But specifically making 90% of the article about Konaka and his blog and accusing him of being some unhinged conspiracy nut motivated by his own interest it completely changes the context of the topic and makes people think they're related. It's a far cry from the way stuff like these articles are written. No rationalizing that it was solely the product of one single writer rather than multiple people on the Pretty Cure team or Toei at large. No linking or posting exerts from said individuals blog about weird random political musings to try to discredit them or question their motivation for putting that in the show. It was simply taken at face value and accepted rather than trying to downplay it.


There was also the Seven Seas articles on when they censored problematic stuff from their light novels English releases didn't post the editor's and translator's social media feeds of their own political rants and beliefs to get people to think "Oh, they're one of those super online political Twitter people who hate seeing things they dislike in media, that's why they felt the need to censor things, got it."
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:21 pm Reply with quote
AmpersandsUnited wrote:
If the article was just the first two paragraphs talking about how the Digimon characters fight political correctness, then you would have no reason to think anything more of it like other times ANN has reported on a show making a statement or getting political. But specifically making 90% of the article about Konaka and his blog and accusing him of being some unhinged conspiracy nut motivated by his own interest it completely changes the context of the topic and makes people think they're related. It's a far cry from the way stuff like these articles are written. No rationalizing that it was solely the product of one single writer rather than multiple people on the Pretty Cure team or Toei at large. No linking or posting exerts from said individuals blog about weird random political musings to try to discredit them or question their motivation for putting that in the show. It was simply taken at face value and accepted rather than trying to downplay it.


There was also the Seven Seas articles on when they censored problematic stuff from their light novels English releases didn't post the editor's and translator's social media feeds of their own political rants and beliefs to get people to think "Oh, they're one of those super online political Twitter people who hate seeing things they dislike in media, that's why they felt the need to censor things, got it."


Konaka didn't make "random" posts on his private unrelated blog, as implied above by dragging the Hugtto! Precure and Seven Seas staff into this. As noted in the article, Konaka made these posts in a blog dedicated to Digimon Tamers. That's what makes them relevant.

https://tamers2021.hateblo.jp
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:35 pm Reply with quote
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I wonder what the response in Japan is. All the news sites I'm seeing are painting this as the greatest insult to Digimon and human decency when it's really just a stupidly hamfisted and awkward way to put otherwise relevant topics.


I did not see anyone comment on it at all until the English speaking fanbase became upset. Then I saw a few Japanese people talk about it. Here is the Togetter discussion about if you are interested and want to read some comments.

https://togetter.com/li/1754492

Overall it does not seem to be a big incident. Please remember that political correctness (ポリコレ) is generally has a negative stigma in Japan and isseen as harmful to artistic freedom but it seems the same is not true for America.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:41 pm Reply with quote
shabu shabu wrote:
immblueversion wrote:
I wonder what the response in Japan is. All the news sites I'm seeing are painting this as the greatest insult to Digimon and human decency when it's really just a stupidly hamfisted and awkward way to put otherwise relevant topics.


I did not see anyone comment on it at all until the English speaking fanbase became upset. Then I saw a few Japanese people talk about it. Here is the Togetter discussion about if you are interested and want to read some comments.

https://togetter.com/li/1754492


A major reason is that many Digimon fans in Japan didn't see the stage reading until clips appeared online. In-person DigiFes 2021 tickets cost 11,000 yen (about US$100), when the Japanese government was urging against large-scale events and or even traveling between prefectures. (Tokyo was and still is under a COVID-19 state of emergency, and the event was in a prefecture that started its COVID-19 SOE the very next day.) Even the pay-per-view streaming cost 4,400 yen (about US$40).

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Please remember that political correctness (ポリコレ) is generally has a negative stigma in Japan and isseen as harmful to artistic freedom but it seems the same is not true for America.


This seems to be a mischaracterization. It would be more accurate to say that "political correctness" is not a major talking point at all in Japan. There are other terms more relevant to Japanese discussions of freedom of expression, such as "healthy development of youths" (青少年保護育成), "harmful publications" (有害図書), and "non-existent youths" (非実在青少年).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:18 pm Reply with quote
I'd say something about separating art from the artist, but this is clearly neither the time nor place for that sentiment.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:23 pm Reply with quote
shabu shabu wrote:


Overall it does not seem to be a big incident. Please remember that political correctness (ポリコレ) is generally has a negative stigma in Japan and isseen as harmful to artistic freedom but it seems the same is not true for America.
The same Japan where they also arrested an artist for making a kayak in the shape of a vagina?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:17 am Reply with quote
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The same Japan where they also arrested an artist for making a kayak in the shape of a vagina?


That artist got in trouble because she was distributing uncensored photos/videos of her genitalia in the process of making her art which is illegal in Japan. She broke the common obscenity law so she had to pay a fine. Freedom of expression doesn't apply when you're actually breaking the law in the process. Not really comparable to people just being upset that a show said or did something they dislike.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:24 am Reply with quote
Horsefellow wrote:
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
The same Japan where they also arrested an artist for making a kayak in the shape of a vagina?


That artist got in trouble because she was distributing uncensored photos/videos of her genitalia in the process of making her art which is illegal in Japan.


Megumi Igarashi (a.k.a. Rokudenashiko) was arrested for distributing 3D data of her genitalia, not photos or videos, to private backers. She was arrested again for displaying vagina-shaped plaster artwork in an adult entertainment shop.

animenewsnetwork.com/news/2020-07-16/artist-rokudenashiko-obscenity-charge-appeal-rejected/.161906

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She broke the common obscenity law so she had to pay a fine. Freedom of expression doesn't apply when you're actually breaking the law in the process. Not really comparable to people just being upset that a show said or did something they dislike.


Freedom of expression is absolutely relevant even — no, especially — when there are laws, especially one written as vaguely as obscenity laws are in many countries. Because of the vagueness, Rokudenashiko had to go to court to reverse her two charges (and she succeeded on one of them).

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:13 pm Reply with quote
Horsefellow wrote:
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
The same Japan where they also arrested an artist for making a kayak in the shape of a vagina?


That artist got in trouble because she was distributing uncensored photos/videos of her genitalia in the process of making her art which is illegal in Japan. She broke the common obscenity law so she had to pay a fine. Freedom of expression doesn't apply when you're actually breaking the law in the process. Not really comparable to people just being upset that a show said or did something they dislike.

Gonna remember this gem for the next thread about censorship laws since they apparently don’t matter to freedom of expression.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:09 pm Reply with quote
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That artist got in trouble because she was distributing uncensored photos/videos of her genitalia in the process of making her art which is illegal in Japan. She broke the common obscenity law so she had to pay a fine. Freedom of expression doesn't apply when you're actually breaking the law in the process. Not really comparable to people just being upset that a show said or did something they dislike.
So freedom of speech only applies when it's pro alt right or pro conspiracy theories?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:41 pm Reply with quote
That's also a gross simplification (and inaccurate description) of what happened. I covered that story when it happened. Still amazing to see the same folks who talk about censorship and "woke" politics ruining their porn turn around and say it's totally cool to fine and jail woman for freely distributing 3D printer data of a vagina.

She LEFT Japan after this resolved.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:48 pm Reply with quote
It looks like Konaka made his response (with some commentary from WtW on it:

https://withthewill.net/threads/konaka-comments-on-tamers-2021-content.26115/
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:46 pm Reply with quote
Konaka's response seems reasonable and is about what I expected. It does seem like westerners made a mountain out of a molehill in the end. It's an interesting comment on it being an event aimed for Japanese audiences and that we only saw it due to illegal piracy so he should not be responsible for dealing with western perspectives or feelings on Japanese issues.
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