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Hal14
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I liked Red hood, or at least I liked the first handful of chapters. But what 'positive reviews' are you talking about @BaronViolet? Actual reviews, or just some buzz on places like reddit or twitter? Genuinely curious to know.
Also i don't think yhe problem is that it had a generic start. It's start was interesting though if wasn't original, the problem was moving into the training/exam arc negated all the interesting things about the first chapters: -focus moved a way from the main duo and introduced too many new characters. -Interesting backgrounds and setting replaced with lifeless metal boot camp - Despite mentioning the existence of different fantasy creatures we never got to see any. The author expected readers to be patient and wait out this arc but the first chapters just did not buy enough good will to justify the wait. We should have gotten a few more hunts before going into a training/exam arc. |
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Todd_Harry08
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I think you would have said the same thing with Red Hunter to Black Clover since it didn't last than longer so I think red hunter needed more time build up just like how BC was. |
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Todd_Harry08
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Yeah they were in the back more than 6 times sadly and you said the TOC's the editor's choice not the readers as most people believe. |
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KarlFranz
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I disagree that volume sales is the most important. I been follow WSJ for awhile now and i can tell you sale is just one of the factors at play here. Jump care for 3 main things: Sale, Growth and ranking. Remember Jump is an IP factory so they care about Growth a lot, more specifically how big the fanbase of a series can get since that drive merch and volume sale. For new series, ranking is the most important thing since it determines the readers interest in it. Once the new period ended (around chapter 30 or volume 2 release), WSJ start to look into sale and growth. that why there are series that have good sale and decent ranking but still got axed since they have no growth. |
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RockSplash
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I mean, I imagine the editor makes those choices based off the readers. They saw the low reviews and polls, and figured they were better off cancelling it. Also, I really don't agree with the black clover statement. This is all 100% personal opinion, but I really liked Black clover because after 5 chapters it really started doing things differently. Compared to Red going straight to an exam arc, something even Kishimoto regretted when he did it. |
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Heishi
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Sucks that Red Hood got canned.
Would have loved to see more of Debonair. Maybe she should have been the main character. I really don’t like how manga like that get axed so fast. |
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DamianSalazar
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First of all, DB Super was never serialized in WSJ, Boruto was albeit in a monthly format. Second of all, the thoughts of us Westerners really don't matter to WSJ's editors, it's the response of WSJ's readers and how many copies in circulation they can produce that matters. And this series failed at that. |
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AmpersandsUnited
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Manga magazines are a cutthroat industry. If you can't perform and deliver, you won't be able to make it. There's not enough room for mediocrity.
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RockSplash
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It's something more American comics should do. Though manga is destroying the competition, a problem Marvel has had is keeping certain comics running that are well recieved critically but have extremely low sales. |
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kgw
 Posts: 1075 Location: Spain, EU |
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Quoting SJ (then) editor-in-chief in "How Jump is done", the manga. "I'd be lying if I say that readers' polls have nothing to do with TOC" (I am quoting from memory). Then, according to Bakuman, ecchi series (like Ayakashi Triangle) usually perform bad in polls because readers are afraid their parents know they like that genre. Ayakashi Triangle is in the middle of a battle arc and there are no more pervy works in the magazine. Blue Box is sport & romance, Witch Watch, a romance comedy (or vice versa). And they are selling quite fine and I guess they'll have "physical" overseas releases sooner or later. I'd say the next to fall could be a gag manga. Not Magu-chan because Shueisha announced their characters' poll for December. High School Family or Roboco? Maybe. And then again, I liked Red Hood too, but I also agree that the plot failed to deliver all what promised. Long explanations on Hunters' tools, an even longer "examination arc" introducing dozens of new characters… It makes me wonder what Red Hood's editor was doing while Kawaguchi draw himself into that sinkhole. The failure of the series it's his failure, too. |
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MagicPolly
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It's always sad when something could have been so much more than what it ended up being. I'll miss Red Hood, it was the first WSJ manga I followed from the beginning.
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mangamuscle
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This is just my opinion, but maybe that was the plan (and the reason there was no patience for RH, two buff females which were not villains was too much for the editors). Because I do not think WSJ would have a battle manga with a female character in a protagonist role, there is one similar manga called Death Deus: Hero of the Dead but that one is published in HobbyJapan. |
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BrainBlow
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Boruto isn't in Weekly Shounen Jump, and We Never Learn occupied a completely different niche within the magazine. WSJ always tries to have a diversity of series, which means a non-action harem comedy isn't actually truly competing with a battle shounen in the same magazine. They are competing for different niches within the ranking. |
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harminia
 Posts: 2006 Location: australia |
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Kinda not surprised re Red Hood. I stopped reading when he left the village partially because I just wasn't interested enough but also I had a feeling. (Sounds like it was good I dropped it there...)
It's a shame, because the art is really nice, and though some of the action scenes were kinda confusing, it had a nice flow to it. The monster design and overall world concept were also pretty cool. I hope the mangaka gets another chance, maybe in a magazine that's not so tough. I'm hoping PPPPP doesn't get cut because, despite my misgivings when I first started, I'm actually enjoying it.
I feel like both those titles are pretty established so they probably won't get cut, though I haven't seen the numbers to know. I'm a fan of both titles (though I'm massively behind on HSF), but I have to say I was surprised they've been going for this long, especially HSF which I expected to be axed yoinks ago (I guess that's the staying power of Isobee helping it out?). I'm not sure what will be cut next as most of the other stuff has either just started or is getting pretty established and are over 19 chapters. PPPPP could definitely be next (unfortunately), though it's only 8 chapters in so hopefully it gets at least 10 more. But beyond that I don't know... It'd sure be nice to have a run where nothing is cancelled. |
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Dian Z
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Shame that Neru got axed next. When it was first appeared, I thought I was seeing a birth of a really promising mangaka in a while. I really like the classic martial arts touch to it. It did falter in later chapters seemingly due to the pressure of being constantly in the bottom, and so preparing for a potential axe.
I wish Jump would start selling these titles digitally overseas maybe via manga plus. And maybe then to a degree, more global readers would deserve their say on their favorite titles, polling would be open globally and so it won't only depend on the Japanese readers. I feel like these two titles could have more chance to survive with the global readers' support. |
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