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abunai
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:45 am
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ikillchicken wrote: | You can't tell me that deep down you don't kinda wanna rob that guy. |
Not particularly, no. But I can see that somebody already took him out to the boys' toilets and gave him a swirly.
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Hazumu-san
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:50 pm
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It is sad that people who don't conform to what is "normal" get attacked or "punished" just for being different. Unfortunately is seems to be part of the human condition, tolerance seems hard to live by it seems.
I have personally been on the receiving end of some of that type of behavior, and it is not fun.
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hentai4me
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Location: England. Robin is so Cute!
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:29 pm
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Non conformists create identity. If there was no one who broke the mould, didn't conform, whatever then there would be little to compare to and so there would be no 'conformity' as there would be nothing that is non conformist therefore no real definition of what conformity would be. My basic point is that pretty much everything of this nature exists by nature of comparison, not by inherent fact.
Celebrate the non conformists as they allow you to identify yourself.
If people weren't classed and stereotyped in anyway would there be as much of a mesh between people? There has to be a reason that people classify, group, stereotype and assign features to things.
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kola
Joined: 24 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:06 pm
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hentai4me wrote: | Non conformists create identity. If there was no one who broke the mould, didn't conform, whatever then there would be little to compare to and so there would be no 'conformity' as there would be nothing that is non conformist therefore no real definition of what conformity would be. My basic point is that pretty much everything of this nature exists by nature of comparison, not by inherent fact.
Celebrate the non conformists as they allow you to identify yourself.
If people weren't classed and stereotyped in anyway would there be as much of a mesh between people? There has to be a reason that people classify, group, stereotype and assign features to things. |
Yours is a very western view point. The argument made by another poster who explained why otaku 'should be beaten down like nails' would be the Japanese view or at least one of the main views in Japan about being different from the rest of society.
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Azathrael
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:12 pm
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I think this the case of this article was shown in the Densha Otoko DX Special. I don't remember the details, but there was some scene about bothering/stealing from otaku at Akihabara. I think the article's fake, but the general trend is probably true.
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MasterRoshiX
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:23 pm
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This is no different then racism or bigotry. If I were the police I would put undercover agents posed as otakus to crackdown on these so called otaku hunter gangs or at least beef up the security.
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Subaru19
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:18 pm
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kola wrote: |
hentai4me wrote: | Non conformists create identity. If there was no one who broke the mould, didn't conform, whatever then there would be little to compare to and so there would be no 'conformity' as there would be nothing that is non conformist therefore no real definition of what conformity would be. My basic point is that pretty much everything of this nature exists by nature of comparison, not by inherent fact.
Celebrate the non conformists as they allow you to identify yourself.
If people weren't classed and stereotyped in anyway would there be as much of a mesh between people? There has to be a reason that people classify, group, stereotype and assign features to things. |
Yours is a very western view point. The argument made by another poster who explained why otaku 'should be beaten down like nails' would be the Japanese view or at least one of the main views in Japan about being different from the rest of society. |
Actually my argument doesn't refute his argument at all. People in Japanese society. and I am making a very broad sweeping generalization here, see otakuism as "wrong behavior." Mainstream society can turn to otaku and say "don't be like them" thereby using the otaku as a way of identifying themselves. (I'm not an otaku).
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frentymon
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:27 am
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Samurai-with-glasses wrote: | I don't think Akihabara is about to become a crime haven just yet. |
Well I`ve been to Akiba for the past three days and I haven`t gotten robbed yet so I figure these are still relatively rare cases.
Random fact I just learned: The abbreviation for Akihabara (Akiba) comes not from Akihabara But rather the ha turns into a ba when the bara is taken out.
Oh, and It`s really hard to type English with a Japanese keyboard.
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hentai4me
Joined: 25 Oct 2005
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Location: England. Robin is so Cute!
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:29 am
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Subaru19 wrote: |
kola wrote: |
hentai4me wrote: | Non conformists create identity. If there was no one who broke the mould, didn't conform, whatever then there would be little to compare to and so there would be no 'conformity' as there would be nothing that is non conformist therefore no real definition of what conformity would be. My basic point is that pretty much everything of this nature exists by nature of comparison, not by inherent fact.
Celebrate the non conformists as they allow you to identify yourself.
If people weren't classed and stereotyped in anyway would there be as much of a mesh between people? There has to be a reason that people classify, group, stereotype and assign features to things. |
Yours is a very western view point. The argument made by another poster who explained why otaku 'should be beaten down like nails' would be the Japanese view or at least one of the main views in Japan about being different from the rest of society. |
Actually my argument doesn't refute his argument at all. People in Japanese society. and I am making a very broad sweeping generalization here, see otakuism as "wrong behavior." Mainstream society can turn to otaku and say "don't be like them" thereby using the otaku as a way of identifying themselves. (I'm not an otaku). |
Exactly, and if everyone was a conformist there would be no defining features of conformism and it would most likely cease to exist as 'conformism' as there would be nothing to conform to anymore. (it's hard to explain with a keyboard)
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ikillchicken
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:57 am
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hentai4me wrote: | Exactly, and if everyone was a conformist there would be no defining features of conformism and it would most likely cease to exist as 'conformism' as there would be nothing to conform to anymore. (it's hard to explain with a keyboard) |
Allow me to try and illustrate:
Stan: Please, you guys, our whole town's reputation is at stake! Will any of you do it?
Goth Kid #1: I'm not doin' it. Being in a dance group is totally conformist.
Goth Kid #2: Yeah. I'm not conforming to some dance-off regulations.
Goth Kid #3: I'm not doin' it either. I'm the biggest nonconformist of all.
Goth Kid #4: I'm such a nonconformist that I'm not going to conform with the rest of you. Okay, I'll do it.
Stan: Great!
Goth Kid #2: Whoa. I think we just got put in our place.
Perhaps this isnt the best example, What you're saying is if there was nobody who didn't conform, there would be no meaning to conforming. However, this makes me laugh plus I think its worth adding to the debate anyway as it illustrates the reverse of what you're saying.
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