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NEWS: Artist K. Hachiya: Copyright Law Changes Would Affect Cosplay


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:28 am Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
Yeah, it's up to the J-police, but it's not like the J-police has not been lax in their enforcement of laws before, like the prostitution and anti-gang (aka Yakuza) laws - prostitution and Yakuza are still alive and well. Ya guys are giving the J-police too much credit - they are used to looking the other way for a lot of things.

That's only because of how embedded the yakuza are in politics. If your the boss of your boss is a member or has a family member as one, then of course your patrol is going to look the other way when it comes across his/her business. This, on the other hand is lower hanging fruit aka job security. And Jcops are known for their petty tyranny.
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Teriyaki Terrier



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:19 pm Reply with quote
There is always the chance the reason the changes are occurring is because some of the creators of said copyrighted anime/manga requested it.

I once read a interview from (this was years ago, so I forget the name of the author) a anime creator and he was less than thrilled that people were cosplaying his characters because of the way some people acted while dressed as one of his character's. Essentially it's about image and maintaining a reputation.

A bad portrayal of a character can be quite anger some if the character does even act like what has been portrayed.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:53 pm Reply with quote
Teriyaki Terrier wrote:
I once read a interview from (this was years ago, so I forget the name of the author) a anime creator and he was less than thrilled that people were cosplaying his characters because of the way some people acted while dressed as one of his character's. Essentially it's about image and maintaining a reputation.


I think your talking about the mangaka for Rose of Versailles.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:14 pm Reply with quote
Teriyaki Terrier wrote:
A bad portrayal of a character can be quite anger some if the character does even act like what has been portrayed.


Bayonetta's creator criticized all the doujins about her because of the portrayal... but I think it was because she was submissive in them, when she should be the dominate one given her personality. Later doujins made her less submissive as a response.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:49 pm Reply with quote
This sucks, I really wanted to go to Akkiahabra in Japan and see all the people in Cosplay, I guess if the law passes I'll never be able to do it, but seriously getting arrested for Cosplay? Its just like wearing a costume for Trick or treating only your older and your only doing it at cons and stuff like that, also the fact that its cooler than trick or treating, whats next are they gonna arrest some random kid wearing a batman costume for Copyright laws? This is a rotten rotten world we're gonna live in when we can't cosplay at conventions.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:23 pm Reply with quote
Sunday Silence: Yes, that is the mangaka I was thinking of. I just wish I remember more about that interview, but it was years ago, so I remember bits and pieces.

TitanXL: I am going to come clean here, I have absolutely no idea what manga, anime or even doujin you are referring here.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:40 pm Reply with quote
Teriyaki Terrier wrote:
TitanXL: I am going to come clean here, I have absolutely no idea what manga, anime or even doujin you are referring here.


Bayonetta is a video game.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:46 pm Reply with quote
Jedi Master wrote:
Teriyaki Terrier wrote:
TitanXL: I am going to come clean here, I have absolutely no idea what manga, anime or even doujin you are referring here.


Bayonetta is a video game.


I see, thank you for the information.

Irregardless of who made what, it will be interesting to see how this law will be enforced.
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yotsubafanfan wrote:
This sucks, I really wanted to go to Akkiahabra in Japan and see all the people in Cosplay, I guess if the law passes I'll never be able to do it........


Maybe you can only hope.....
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You know what I'm sick of?

People yapping about "law and procedure" when it has nothing to do with reasonable and feasible judgment of a human BEING.

Japan has laws, but personal reasoning and feasible reasoning for why things go on without the LAAWWWW cracking down on everyone like a totalitarian state or a cesspool of cynicism and overtly extremist conformity like the US ([attacks removed]) is a WHOLE lot better on the account that people are practicing the laws they implemented through the morals and ethics they built those laws upon. In otherwords, they are merely examples and figureheads, as well as moral koans and interpretations rather than a fatal line to not cross.

All of you [insults and attacks are not allowed] telling me that "well the law has to conform this and that for all of animu to follow" SHUT THE **** UP.

You [insults removed] that complain about pirating and "illegal anime activity that's gonna ruin all of teh animu here in the U.S. for us smart animu fans" have gone TOO ****ING FAR.

I'm up for laws and standards to live by and stand by, but there's laws that abide towards moral judgment and human variability, and then there are laws that are essentially Hitler level Totalitarianism. You know, the laws that you [insults removed] impose upon because you think that "supporting anime laws to crack down on fan translators that eat babies and worship untold deavas of evil will get you blowjobs and hookers from US anime publishers". Hell, do you even [insults removed]?

I'm NEVER for the pirating of anime and video games that come out now days if it is officially released here.

But no, you [insults removed] parade this on like the ****tarded musicians like Metallica and others do for the RIAA without realizing their OWN ROOTS?

Don't give me this **** either with the "oh there was manga entertainment in teh" bull**** either. I'm glad that there were anime publishers back in the 90's, and I'm highly grateful for them. But it WASN'T AS BIG AS IT WAS TODAY, and even TODAY will not help the fact that anime is NICHE.

Oh, and another thing, Anime is going to be NICHE JUST LIKE ALL FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT, and that's a fact I'm proud of and stand by today. Before these days that anime has as much exposure as it does today, NO ONE GAVE A ****.

And even with the pirating of today's anime, let me tell you [insults removed] something about anime that will NOT REACH THE LIGHT OF DAY IN YOUR UNITED STATES. Not every anime is going to come out here. Not every anime is going to ****ing cater to the US because "it exists". I respect the fact that all people deserve cash and attention for their work and efforts. But if they aren't going to release it anywhere else, oh ho, BOO HOO ****ING HOO, WE ARE GOING TO PIRATE IT. WHY? Because it's something that we want to enjoy, for its emotional depths, the kinds of feelings they get out of us, the action, the pain, the sorrow, the joy, the life and vivacity of what they put into it, the amounts of creativity and even the whole different vibes of anime, and to be honest, if getting it legally is going to be infeasible because well, there's not a [expletive] market here big enough for it, GET THE *** OVER IT.

Anime today, and even back when it started, is NOT SPECIFICALLY MADE FOR YOU USA AND EUROPE. I enjoy the efforts and that US importers do to help bring anime to the US, and I give them a bone whenever I can and have the resources for it, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE WIDELY DEMANDED. GET THE **** OVER IT. I am NOT going to ****ing waste a [expletive] dollar on anime from the 80's or was only released in Japan if I don't have the ****ing cash and most of all, because I don't have the [expletive] time for it. They don't care about me as a consumer? Well their ****ing loss.

Oh and here's a little lesson for you on marketing: Attention, novelty and the quality of the product is what makes it sell. Over time, attention will bring light of the product to people who are interested in it. Novelty is the uniqueness and individuality of the product being sold that attracts people to what it is. Quality is how good it is in function and execution.

Over time, these properties deteriorate, and depending on the feedback of that product, in the future, it will receive a special place in everyone's hearts, will be a part of the culture by storm, or will be forgot, or a myriad of different receptions and responses.

One thing about Anime and this equation?

They don't have the vhs tapes in the warehouse anymore because it's 10 years after they announced it and I was a kid back then? I'm not going to ****ing crusade and write a ****ing statement to make them print out more [expletive] VHS tapes or even gods ****ing forbid DVDs and Blurays of an anime that was released in back in the early 90's.

All of you [insults removed] that tell me that because I watch the OVA of Digital Devil Saga on Youtube because it wasn't released here in the US can go [inappropriate remarks removed]. Just because I'm in your way of your little [inappropriate remarks removed]. **** all help me if [inappropriate remarks and threats removed].

oh, and this isn't even the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. I'm JUST GETTING STARTED.

I loathe how you [insults removed] tell me that anime fans all have to buy their anime because it has to be done or they're [insults removed].

Why? Was there a ****ing club made for "true anime fans" like the [insults removed] down at Colony Drop made while I wasn't on the internets? Are there ****ing certain guidelines and standards I have to ****ing meet to be an Anime Fan? Well **** me, gather the firing squad and have at me, you [insults removed]. Eat me for not being rich or being "as knowledgable on anime related content" as you, you [insults removed].

And let me shatter your [insults removed]anime community. ANIME WILL BE NICHE AND WILL FOREVER BE NICHE. I don't care what kind of [insults removed] attitude and explanation you're gonna give me, because I accept the fact, and I know that anime is forever going to be niche, but the brighter side is that Anime, like all forms and mediums of entertainment, IT'S NICHE.

And in the roots that anime was niche before the big exposure to the world before the 2000's, I enjoyed anime because it was refreshing to see imaginative content that wasn't airing at the time. Before the [insults removed] spoiled to hell and proceeded to make bull**** "dissections of anime tropes and themes" to destroy anime out of their bitter jaded rage and malice for having [insults removed] when watching Japanese cartoons, it WAS REFRESHING. Admit that.

And even today, in my eyes, Anime, no matter how commercialized, no matter how trite people make anime to be, no matter how [insults removed] "anime specialists" want to make anime producers cater to their tastes and attempt to be [insults removed] telling anyone "anime is like this and that, it's so trite and we figured it all out because it can be formulatized", it's still going to be better than most of the trite, bland, prudish, uninspired catering, treat you like a braindead mass of waste, that ANY OF [insults removed] will EVER PUSH OUT. And so far, I am giving LESS of a **** about what the **** people hold anime in popularity to since I was 17. IT'S A GEEKY THING. ACCEPT IT'S STATUS OR **** OFF.

And right now, when Anime is getting severely stripped of its rights to be a medium of art and expression, all of you [insults removed] can do is small talk about ****ing laws and procedures and how "there are loopholes and well that's that, anime's gonna follow those laws, better tell people that's how things are gonna be". All because you [insults removed] and think in the extremity that all there will be if that order is toned down to a specific harmony and flexibility is chaos, destruction and ARMAGEDDON to your [insults removed] and what the land of Nippon can't provide for you anymore for you [insults removed].

Anime provided me, along with Japanese Video Games, Early 90's Nickelodeon, and entertainment that never gave a **** to the [insults removed] that consider anything, with a hint of creativity or heart put into something, of any worth, with something that inspires the soul, moves emotion, inspires hope, teaches something about humanity, and a roller coaster of many themes and subjects.

Now it's getting crushed by you [insults removed] and crushed further by world cultural and moral globalization along with American Brand [insults removed]. Thanks a whole ****ing lot you [insults removed]. Looks like the education system didn't [insults removed]. Hell if I know what [insults removed].

Also, **** you Zac Berthey or however the **** you pronounce your name. Your affiliation with the [insults removed] known as colony drop and the fact that I can see your attitudes coming off just like them from your OWN ****ING WRITING makes you WORSE than [insults removed]. Hell, Simon ****ing COWELL ranks higher on my list, because at least HE'S a man of taste and does something for the world with his cultivated talent and knowledge, unlike you and [insults removed] that demand Japan make anime in your definitions of what anime should be for your [insults removed] down on Colony Drop you ARE.

(By the way, **** Otaku Say better include this. Because this is also a personal ****-you for you Colon Dump losers out there that think that your little internet anime fan club for [insults removed] is going to be followed by the "true anime fans", as if they are like [insults removed].)

All of you people make me SICK. You are not Anime Fans. You are not even your [insults removed], a title that I hold in high regard because I know what the meaning of it is against the adversity of what the [insults removed] in the world think of what the word means. All of you [insults removed]. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHO I'M TARGETING WITH THIS POST AND THE FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS THAT POUR INTO THE VERY WORDS OF THIS POST IF YOU'RE READING THIS.

HAVE A GREAT ****ING LIFE. Nitpick this all you want, it still won't help your ego to not look like a[insults removed].

[Mod Edit: Frankly, you're lucky I'm even letting this post stand. You are perfectly entitled to have your own opinion and even discuss that opinion here on the forums; that is what it is here for after all. However, you are still expected to be civil towards other users and refrain from insults and attacks, as per the rules. Like it or not everyone has their own point of view and people are going to see things differently than you and disagree with you; to use your own words, "****ING DEAL WITH IT". - Keonyn]
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Yes, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:27 am Reply with quote
Thinking about this makes me wonder what does this mean for Japanese women wanting to dress up like anime/manga females with skimpy or bikini-like outfits, such as Yoko Littner from "Gurren Lagann" and some of the Queen's Blade warrior maidens.

Is it just me or does it seem like Japan is about to sell out its own sense of cosplay freedom for the sake of being 100% tolerated by other nations, including western nations?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:33 pm Reply with quote
stararnold wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like Japan is about to sell out its own sense of cosplay freedom for the sake of being 100% tolerated by other nations, including western nations?


Personally, I'd rather be not-tolerated and be an individual than be tolerated, but lose everything that makes me unique.

But that's just me.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:14 pm Reply with quote
Actar wrote:
stararnold wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like Japan is about to sell out its own sense of cosplay freedom for the sake of being 100% tolerated by other nations, including western nations?


Personally, I'd rather be not-tolerated and be an individual than be tolerated, but lose everything that makes me unique.

But that's just me.


Actually that there is the whole reason I got into anime, manga and video games. I rather see something that creative, imaginative and something non convention than something that tolerated, but is standardized, ultra rigid and lacks any creativity or any innovation at all.

Conformity isn't always the answer and there are times, it's just better to be creative and not just accept the item at face value.

I have a quote from a guy I was talking to at a gym once and it went "Life is like a pinball machine, either your a pinball (meaning standardized) or curious (creative). Or in very rare exception your a quarter (meaning currency in today's world. Essentially meaning you'll always be with the times, but neither be set in stone as either standardized or curious)."

Frankly, in the case of cosplaying, I imagine not being tolerated and keeping your individuality would be much better than being accepted, but being as standard as mathematical equations (which for the most part, never change.)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:00 pm Reply with quote
Teriyaki Terrier wrote:
Actar wrote:
stararnold wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like Japan is about to sell out its own sense of cosplay freedom for the sake of being 100% tolerated by other nations, including western nations?


Personally, I'd rather be not-tolerated and be an individual than be tolerated, but lose everything that makes me unique.

But that's just me.


Actually that there is the whole reason I got into anime, manga and video games. I rather see something that creative, imaginative and something non convention than something that tolerated, but is standardized, ultra rigid and lacks any creativity or any innovation at all.

Conformity isn't always the answer and there are times, it's just better to be creative and not just accept the item at face value.

I have a quote from a guy I was talking to at a gym once and it went "Life is like a pinball machine, either your a pinball (meaning standardized) or curious (creative). Or in very rare exception your a quarter (meaning currency in today's world. Essentially meaning you'll always be with the times, but neither be set in stone as either standardized or curious)."

Frankly, in the case of cosplaying, I imagine not being tolerated and keeping your individuality would be much better than being accepted, but being as standard as mathematical equations (which for the most part, never change.)
Well now you mention it, that's a very heartfelt commentary, and I agree that it's better to be who you are than to change who you are for the sake of being accepted by another individual. That's a lesson anyone can learn from the "The Big Bang Theory" episode where Leonard's co-purchasing of a time machine replica resulted in problems from his apartment floor neighbor Penny. However, as for those in North America who watch anime, it can be extremely hard be accepted by the continent's mainstreamers when anime (though sparing a few titles like "Pokemon", "Voltron", and "Robotech") is far from being accepted in the North American mainstream...unless of course a U.S. live-action film version of an anime enters production. Nevertheless, self-acceptance still remains one of the world's most important values.
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