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NEWS: The Fire Hunter Anime's 2nd Season Reveals January 2024 Debut, 2 New Cast Members




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donhumberto



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:23 am Reply with quote
Awesome news! Very Happy Much sooner than I expected, to be honest. Now bring on Nier Automata S2 to complete my 2 favorite shows of last Winter...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:49 am Reply with quote
Very happy to hear this. There was definitely some... wonkiness... with the first season but overall I enjoyed the show.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:42 pm Reply with quote
Can't complain about getting to hear Manaka Iwami and MAO!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:47 pm Reply with quote
Kind've surprised it's getting a season 2 given how badly production seemed to suffer on season 1. Did still enjoy it, though, mostly, even enough to buy the manga. Guess a season 2 could be interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:43 pm Reply with quote
NeverConvex wrote:
Kind've surprised it's getting a season 2 given how badly production seemed to suffer on season 1. Did still enjoy it, though, mostly, even enough to buy the manga. Guess a season 2 could be interesting.


I don't think the production suffered, it was definitely a deliberate choice to use limited animation, it's the exact same technique (illustrated stillshots) osamu dezaki used and I think its a very deliberate homage. If you hate limited animation, don't watch fire hunter... but don't watch TV anime in general, limited animation is what gives anime like naruto the ability to have year+ long runs with 100s of episodes... limitted animation, from the early days of, say, osamu tezuka to current day is what gave anime the ability to be what it is.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:48 pm Reply with quote
It wasn't really "limited animation", though; it bordered on comically incoherent slideshows in some of the action scenes. They also looked completely different from the very fluid action shots portrayed in the opening song. Maybe it's just a weird stylistic choice, but it looked terrible enough that I'm inclined to think it was due to production-side limitations; to be clear, though, I think this only really applies to the action scenes.

The comparison to Naruto is informative, I think. Even Naruto's worst-animated episodes generally have action that looks dramatically more fluid than what we got in season 1 of Fire Hunter.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:39 pm Reply with quote
I'd guess that the way it was animated was intentional, and they were showing off at first (some animation was decidedly not limited, just very stylized). But I recall that somewhere around the halfway to 2/3rds point, they couldn't keep it up and the visuals really fell off. It also felt like they rushed to conclude at 10 episodes; I also recall that they didn't announce that the 10th episode was the last until very soon before it aired.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:42 pm Reply with quote
Fire Hunter did have plenty of scenes with deliberate "weirdness", specially because of animators like Yasunori Miyazawa being involved and doing large sequences for the anime, but it very much had production problems. The biggest problem with idiossyncratic animation is that it makes the work of in-betweeners living hell, since they literally have to trace all of the key frames while adding new ones, any errors can make the whole thing feel dysfunctional. And from what I could see, the in-betweening was cheaply outsourced.

It also doesn't help other things like Nishimura directing Extreme Hearts just a few months prior to FH's release, and Signal.MD just not being a very consistent studio.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:01 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, I absolutely buy that it was a combination of stylistic choice (clearly it was distinctive and at least partially deliberate) and production issues. Like, I am thinking that the action scenes would ideally all have looked like this brief scene from the OP:

https://youtu.be/bg1HKNd5PUc?t=72

The animation flickers suddenly in places even in those few seconds, but it is easy to track what is happening -- it seems incredibly dynamic and crisp, even.

By contrast, compare that to the fight animation around 20:49 in episode 2: https://www.crunchyroll.com/watch/G31UX9MXV/the-three-brides The quality is just night-and-day; the OP looks artistically interesting but explosive and biologically plausible. The latter looks like a kid drew a static image and just moved it around with their hands, sock-puppet style.
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