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samuelp
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I really have sympathy for the 69 year old delivery worker here.
Delivery jobs like his are one of the hardest, backbreaking work that's available and I often see elderly people working the jobs who probably can't afford to retire... The extra money he got from selling a few magazines to these crooks might have been the difference that paid for medication or care his aging wife needed, etc... He's 69, I'm sure he has no idea about online piracy or scanlation or whatever, he probably just got propositioned by these guys offering cash and figured no one would notice a copy or two missing from a shipment of 100s or 1000s. And here we have a fundamental weakness of security in the publishing system: the last leg distribution. There are 10,000s maybe 100,000s of these elderly, poor delivery workers out there in Japan. Preventing physical copies from leaking and also getting them out to all the stores for sale are basically mutually exclusive. I think there's no choice but to have online be the first release in the future if they really want to stop pre-publication piracy. |
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traitorAIZEN
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Just my unpopular opinion.
If they keep this up, there won't be anyone who would translate/upload it to manga sites anymore. Then without anyone uploading it, there would be less and less people who would know that these mangas exist. Who would even buy mangas they don't know? If these manga sharing sites/groups close, it would slowly but surely kill the industry. |
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#847552
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Scanlations are hurting/have hurt the industry if anything...(in America anyway) Just look at manga sales back in 2006 and look at them after Scanlations gained popularity... Why buy something if it's available to read for free..... |
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Cutiebunny
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^ There are many scanlation groups who translate manga that is either old and/or will not be released in the US.
I don't think the issue is so much that these Chinese nationals are uploading the scans on to scanlation sites, but more that they're doing it before the manga is officially released in Japan. I don't think that the Japanese government can stop those who choose to scan and distribute these scans, online, especially if they're e-mailing them to scanlation groups. That would be much more labor intensive and like looking for a needle in a haystack. I, too, feel sorry for the delivery worker. I'm sure there's people across Japan who pay the local delivery worker to delivery copies of their favorite publications prior to the release date. Some people really enjoy reading stories before everyone else gets a chance to do so. |
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CrowLia
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It's rather disingenuous to think that five or six dudes getting arrested will cause the collapse of the gigantic manga piracy network. Especially if the Japanese police is just now considering the possibility of "many Chinese groups doing this". The Japanese authorities are ages behind the people doing this, these footmen will soon be replaced, just like every pirate website that gets taken down is soon replaced by a new one. It's the circly of piracy. The thought of doing any real damage to these groups with this tiny arrest is almost funny.
I remember a couple of incidents in which young and not particularly well-informed fans read scanlations and immediately attempted to tweet Tite Kubo about the latest developments in Bleach, which caused him to get very upset, not so much about the piracy itself, but because they were releasing spoilers online before the magazine was actually published. I can't cite sources, but I believe he even said that he didn't mind English scanlations, just please don't post spoilers in Japanese online. There are other mangakas who are very vitriolic towards scanlation readers in general, like Yana Toboso, but I'm pretty sure a lot of them are more concerned about the early release rather than anything else |
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MysticLeviathan
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The fact is that until it's all digital or digital versions of the magazine get released before the printed versions, this will continue.
It'll be interesting to see who else gets caught in the coming days. |
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Cutiebunny
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^ It will still continue, even when things go completely digital. Instead of 69 year old delivery men providing the hook up, it'll be underpaid interns or a hacker.
Digitalizing stuff doesn't make it safe. All these data breeches have made that perfectly clear. |
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MysticLeviathan
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The cat and mouse game will be heavily in the magazine publisher's favor at that point. And by that point, the chapters might only be out maybe a day earlier rather than several days earlier. The digital route is a FAR better option for the magazines than having multiple middle men where the magazines can leak. |
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Puniyo
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The vast majority of scanalations are things you can't buy in English (not just 'not yet', most likely never). Not to mention scanalations were popular way before 2006, and many of us wouldn't even know what manga is without them. I don't get that mentality though, if something that I read online comes out in English (Seraph of the End is getting released fast, only a month or so behind Japan, but most series take much longer. When scanalations were in their peak, it usually took a few years) then I'll buy it anyway. I also don't have much money, and I don't want to buy a series I don't like. If piracy is affecting a certain series that badly, it's obviously something people don't want to buy. If they want to cut down on scanalations, they simply need to start releasing stuff more timely. I'm not saying 'yes, pirate, all the things', I'm saying 'If you're going to disallow this, atleast let me buy it'. Anyway, I feel sorry for that delivery worker, he probably doesn't even know what piracy is. The issue really is that those people are releasing it early, though. I also hate digital-only, but I agree that releasing it officially online early is the best preventative for these sorts of leaks. |
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SageModeKakarot
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i still don't understand why they do it, each weeks Shonen Jump for example is available digitally via the Jump App on Android or IOS in English for about 80p, i mean 80p!!!!
and as for The Seven Deadly Sins you can read each week FOR FREE on Crunchyroll and all you have to put up with is a 30 second advert before you read it there are free or cheap LEGAL ways to read manga, why people still use Scantlation sites i will never know, is it to get it a few days early well BIG DEAL! what difference does a few days make????? Support you local Manga and Anime Distributors or we may end up losing them for good, just like the UK did with the Fairy Tail Anime (  )
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Nakurawari
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The people who watch free scans that also buy physical or digital releases are in the minority. So yes, scanlations are hurting the industry. |
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dark13
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As far as I know with anime the release it after it airs Unlike Manga so the only thing to about these manga piracy is to release theme after they came out problem solved they won't go to jail and there won't be that big of an issue.
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Ali07
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On the topic of the delivery man, I can't say I feel sorry for the guy. Sure, he is an older gentleman, and maybe knowing why he was after extra income could lead to me feeling some sympathy for him. Thing is, at the end of the day he was selling off stuff that wasn't his. His job is to deliver whatever he is given, ensuring that it arrives to its destination safely and intact.
He's in a position of trust, and broke that trust.
I must admit, I do rely on pirates a bit here. While there are a number of series I'm collecting that are ongoing in Japan, for some of the complete series I've gotten over time...I've jumped onto MAL to see what people have said about the last chapter. And, yes, that means I'm reading comments (in some instances) of people who have read scanlations. If I'm unable to do that, I try to see if the last chapter is around, and then have a quick look at it. If I like what I see (yes, I don't care if I know how it ends, as long as I like the end I'll be happy to read through the journey), I'll go out and buy the series. Of course, I only do that with series I know got released in its entirety or are about to be released. Which has lead to some sadness on my part...finding out about series that, while sounding like things I'd love to read, didn't get the whole run released...makes me sad. At the same time, I've bought many manga I knew next to nothing about. And, most of those were because I heard that they were about to end or they had already finished before getting licensed in English. Examples of series announced to be ending - So Cute It Hurts! and Inu x Boku SS. Examples of series that were complete before release - Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer and Evergreen. I don't know how any of these series have ended (So Cute! hasn't finished yet). |
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EighteenSky
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As Puniyo said the vast majority of series scanlated are not available in English in any form and most likely won't be for whatever reason (cost, age, content etc.). A very, very small example, you tell me where I can read Nana to Kaoru, Hajime no Ippo, Mujaki no Rakuen or Baby Steps in English legally for a cost or free and I'll listen to arguments that they aren't needed more seriously. There are no stats that indicate either way the effects of scanlations. Doubt there ever will be. Without scanlations and fansubs I would not be an anime/manga fan, I can categorically say that. I would not have spent thousands importing manga/anime (even music) from Japan as well as a hell of a lot buying from Western publishers like Seven Seas or Yen Press without them. Last edited by EighteenSky on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:37 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Sanyo
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I guess it's the beginning of the end for scanlations then, huh?
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