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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:57 pm
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RyanSaotome wrote: | At this point you should expect pretty much every significant Aniplex title to go to AoA. Thats how its gone the last couple seasons (like with Tempest, Magi, Sword Art Online, Vividred, OreShura, etc). The days of them handing those titles to others are likely past us, due to how successful releasing them through the American branch has been. |
Which means I won't be purchasing those titles as I refuse to pay their price points. It doesn't matter if I like the series, what matters is that I refused to get gouged just to own them. This is my decision, just as the price-points AoA uses are theirs (or AoJ's).
And if this pricing strategy were to spread to all American anime publishers, it would probably mark the end of my purchasing of anime: it would force me out. And, I imagine, would make people who are thinking about starting to buy anime think twice about it. Anime ownership would become an increasingly niche concept, and eventually it would be publishers selling luxury editions for the few that are willing and able to pay for it. I think that would be a sad eventuality, but it is certainly a possible one. I hope that day never comes.
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Ambimunch
Joined: 30 Aug 2012
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:57 am
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Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: |
RyanSaotome wrote: | At this point you should expect pretty much every significant Aniplex title to go to AoA. Thats how its gone the last couple seasons (like with Tempest, Magi, Sword Art Online, Vividred, OreShura, etc). The days of them handing those titles to others are likely past us, due to how successful releasing them through the American branch has been. |
Which means I won't be purchasing those titles as I refuse to pay their price points. It doesn't matter if I like the series, what matters is that I refused to get gouged just to own them. This is my decision, just as the price-points AoA uses are theirs (or AoJ's).
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If a person likes a series but cannot afford to legally purchase it due to ignorance of the company holding the rights to it---well that person will resort to illegally watching it or illegally pirating it, and I won't blame him
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Chrno2
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:49 pm
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I had forgotten all about this. I remember them mention it at NYCC last year but it slipped my mind. Thought it was out already.
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agila61
Joined: 22 Feb 2009
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:47 pm
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Ambimunch wrote: | If a person likes a series but cannot afford to legally purchase it due to ignorance of the company holding the rights to it---well that person will resort to illegally watching it or illegally pirating it, and I won't blame him |
Or legally watching some digital release that is either free or substantially inexpensive(*), which has been an option for AoA's releases.
* Edited to remove relative comparison to prices of physical media.
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ssandulak
Joined: 10 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:22 pm
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Seems odd to stifle a discussion even though it's getting heated. Controversial is interesting...that being said, Aniplex threads do tend to kind of devolve into name calling.
I've purchased Aniplex shows before, and probably will again. Am I happy about the price points? Of course not. Fate/Zero was worth the price and Gurren Lagann probably will be as well. Financially I guess it must be working though. I'm curious why reverse importing only seems to enter into arguments with Aniplex though? Wouldn't things like Steins;Gate get reverse imported also? Why don't they worry about it? If that's been answered before let me know.
Personally I'd rather just wait longer if that is what they had to do.
In any case, the Gurren Lagann set looks gorgeous...and I'll seriously consider buying it...begrudgingly...Aniplex just seems to get all my favourite shows.
Aniplex certainly knows what to announce in a panel though. They announced this at Sakura-con (was in the audience) and they left out the prices on purpose as to not to kill the mood. It had an import notice in brackets, but from the cheering, I could tell I was one of the few who noticed it lol.
One last point on the price though. Why would you have it higher than it would cost you to import it through amazon? Anyone willing to pay that price is obviously going to do their research and get the cheaper version of the same thing...it just makes no sense in my brain.
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Chagen46
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:34 pm
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Quote: | Seems odd to stifle a discussion even though it's getting heated. |
When EVERY single aniplex ends up like this, it's to be expected.
Quote: | Controversial is interesting... |
Not when said controversy has already been played out literally 10+ times before, with almost nothing new being said by either party.
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ssandulak
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:49 pm
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True enough, but to just disallow the discussion because of that would be to sweep it under the rug. If people still think it's a problem each time, people can at least hear them out. Admittedly you're going to get a lot of the exact same arguments, but I'd be surprised if someone doesn't bring up SOME new point, or interesting tidbit each time. No matter how small
You can sort of tell when people are just complaining for it's own sake. But this being the internet, there will always be people just trying to get a rise out of others.
I'm still iffy on Valvrave the Liberator...we'll see how that one shakes out. Sunrise's track record is spotty at best.
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Key
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:19 pm
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ssandulak, you apparently haven't had to wade through the hundreds of pages (and I'm not exaggerating here) of tedious, repetitive arguments about the exact same points on this issue, or seen how often these discussions get nasty and descend into hurling insults. This one was at the latter point when I cut it off and started deleting things. At the time I cut it off, the discussion had blown up to 18 pages in only a bit over six hours, so there was definitely no shortage of opportunity to hash out the topic.
And considering that we were getting multiple complaints and I had people openly thanking me for slamming the lid on the discussion, I have no qualms that I made the right call.
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potatochobit
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:44 pm
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in the 80s people used to rent videos when they could not afford to buy them all.
not sure if you can rent aniplex titles on netflix
anyway, most new aniplex titles are easily viewable for free online
such as on crackle which is owned by sony
and on crunchyroll
gurren lagann is not available right now as the bandai licensed expired
this show is old anyway; why didn't you watch it 4 years ago, it even aired on TV multiple times.
I cannot take you serious when you cry about missing out on it now.
I also do not see much difference between lisara and highschool D
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:54 pm
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potatochobit wrote: | .....
gurren lagann is not available right now as the bandai licensed expired
this show is old anyway; why didn't you watch it 4 years ago, it even aired on TV multiple times.
I cannot take you serious when you cry about missing out on it now.
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First time it was offered for BD. It is not about watching, but about owning. Now owning a BD release.
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Polycell
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:40 am
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ssandulak wrote: | One last point on the price though. Why would you have it higher than it would cost you to import it through amazon? Anyone willing to pay that price is obviously going to do their research and get the cheaper version of the same thing...it just makes no sense in my brain. |
There are three reasons that come to mind: Shipping, duties and translation costs. The bet is that people will prefer the translation booklet over saving some money, though the spreads have gotten pretty big with the Yen's depreciation.
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ssandulak
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:26 am
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So the books would be translated? Cause it specifically says a lot of the stuff won't be translated (though I assumed that was the on disc content).
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Polycell
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:44 am
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AoA adds a booklet with translations to their imports. I don't know if they provide translations for everything, though.
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SpacemanHardy
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:03 am
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Polycell wrote: | AoA adds a booklet with translations to their imports. I don't know if they provide translations for everything, though. |
Yeah, but how well they're translated is another story entirely. So far, AoA is pretty notorious for not having the most talented translation team, not to mention their booklets are often rife with typos.
You'd think for a company that specializes in high-price "quality releases" that they'd at least be able to afford a decent translator who knows how to run a spell-checker.
Not to mention that there's nothing mentioned in the listing for the BR box that lists a translation booklet, so yeah.
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DeathShrike
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:48 am
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I'm baffled by people defending Aniplex's head-in-the-sand pricing, and even MORE baffled by those people berating others who are frustrated that they can't afford their favorite shows.
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