Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! [2007-07-06]
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Posts: 3498 Location: IN your nightmares |
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Hmm maybe it's just the notion that male x male relationships are more taboo and since manga (where most of the yaoi material is) is also a type of fantasy entertainment, the appeal of homosexual relationship romance stories has much more excitement when it involves men. Women as well as men can find this fascinating and manga provides an outlet for fantasy and escapism from reality. Emotional ties between girls are not only fairly common in non-yuri titles , but is just something that is somewhat more acceptable in society than romantic male bonding. I think this has something to do with the reason why yuri and shoujo-ai is not as "big", it's not that guys don't care for it, it's just that it is less of an extreme and doesn't represent a theme for escapist literature to quite the same degree that yaoi and shounen-ai does. |
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The Human Spider
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Wow! I never knew it had any kind of DVD release--thanks for the news I'm still hoping for a Region 1 release, which now looks like a slight possability(maybe 2% chance now as opposed to 0%.) Out of all the unliscenced anime I've seen that's the one I most want to own on DVD. |
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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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Maybe, I know I steer cleer of the mandatory beefy truck driver/construction type in Sailor Moon costume one seems to see at least one of every year, And the guy at last year's comic-con in a giant cheerio was scary. The Captain Jack Sparrows were actually the big thing. My daughter was thrilled to see Man-Fay more because he's a legend. It seems the gals in Princess Leia slave garb & other revealing gear are most popular. Chocolate Misu in her black suspenders was quite popular. My teen had several people ask to take her picture the year she made up as Sha Gojyo, We had a lot of older guys in FMA gear last year But what do you mean more? It's a standard plot in shojo, isn't it? Tenshi ja nai features a guy pretending to be a female model. Hana Kimi is a gal pretending to be a guy stalking a Broad Jumper she likes Can't think of how many times we've seen the childhood friends reunite after years &--oops, they're both boys, not one a girl as the other thought. Ikki Phoenix even fell for a girl who looked remarkably like his brother Shun Andromeda. Ni Jyenni mistook Sanzo for a girl when they first crossed paths then Sanzo was a child. And let's not forget all the plots where they get to dress the bishonen up as a girl for a play or something. They really don't have to look very far, On the yaoi bit, I'm pretty sure Gravitation had the biggest part in putting yaoi over the top here. It & Fake came out from Tokyo Pop about the same time. I've spoken with MANY male fans who seem to feet they deserve the Purple Heart for being forced to watch it with the girlfriend. I know I didn't care fo Fake much because I didn't like Dee, but Gravitation is just insane enough (I love that stuff like Bobobo, Dr Slump, etc) Yaoi & yuri have been an also in many titles that were brought over (Sorcerer Hunters, CCS, Saber Marionette, etc) They have been wearing down our resistance slowly. It's a conspiracy to corrupt us all. |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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Yes, exactly but that's also why I don't really see fandom developing a specific yuri culture that's as prominent as the yaoi culture. We get enough of it in everyday anime, but that's also true of shounen-ai themes. Also, I think men (I say "men" loosely regardless of age and maturity level) - they want their female x female stuff to be more in the form of hentai (so it's there but it's enjoyed in private), but women would like yaoi to become something more mainstream and in the public eye. |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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I don't know about women wanting yaoi/shonen ai to be kept PG all the time. I have yaoi fangirl friends and I've seen plently of decriptions on fanfiction.net and it isn't just shonen ai.
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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I think lots of manga titles get the label "Mature" simply for being about same sex relationships, and yet have little or no explicit material. So the impact of them becoming popular is slightly greater because of that implied mature status, when I think the overall content of romantic graphic novels is fairly consistent from title to title (again just speaking about commercially published and printed material). |
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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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I know I've hit the last page of a couple of yaoi titles & wondered why the hell it got rated any higher than CCS because there's nothing there other than a male/male relationship.
I don't begrudge these guys getting their yuri. The issue seems the persecution complex they seem to exhibit over their being able to readily find yaoi (which may also threaten males in other ways than just the homosexuality it pertrays. Look at the guys here unwilling to accept gals as a force to be reckoned with in manga/anime. I tell you, it was very nice to see guys shot down panel after panel when they asked for this & that title that females were the phenomenon that was shaking up the graphic novel world because the number of gals buying mange flew in the face of accepted wisdom that girls don't spend money on comics. Guys may buy enough of some titles to move them up in sales, but gal titles overall were doing far better than expected. As I said--it was at Del Rey or Viz where, after several questions "Do you plan to license ---" the panelist said they'd love to license everything everyone wants, but the motivating factor that year at least was the female manga fans. One can also argue the old image that it's ok for teen boys to sneak a Playboy, but teen girls can't be into that stuff) There seems to be less yuri out there in Japan. This suggests frankly there is less demand--that pure yuri is a smaller audience. This means guys in Japan are either satisfied with the hentai depictions readily available, satisfied with the plentiful depictions in shonen & shojo genres or they prefer it live acttion because we do know guys have a big voice in the Japanese market. I believe it was in the back comments in a Kizuna or maybe Finder where the manga-ka commented the older fans want romance-cuddling/kissing while her younger fans want sex. I know my daughter won't bother unless the boys at least are shown in bed. |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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I guess that's true, which shouldn't be, but soccer moms like to control the world. It's harder to obtain hentai so that's probably why it isn't as popular as regular romance titles. Shôjo-ai written for girls I guess will never be as popular as shonen ai for girls, (I don't think guys would read any shonen-ai but there may be some) |
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resurgam
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Same goes for gay manga even more so than yuri. The little that is available is completely overlooked by importers and publishers.
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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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True,
Most people think yaoi is gay, but CPM commented they ran a yaoi anime past what they assumed was the target audience (gay men) way back when & it went over like a lead balloon so they didn't license it. |
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DanieBarton03
Posts: 6 Location: California |
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Anime Cons: My first con was AX about two years ago and regardless of the size, I had a blast. It really depends on the type or atmosphere you like. Me, I enjoy a sense of organized chaos (though AX has been missing some of the organized part recently) so something huge is a lot more fun than a smaller con.
Pretty much everything else I wanted to say has already been said. |
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michizure
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Coming late to the party:
I'm not a fan of giant mecha per se, but over the years I've realized they serve an important narrative function: reducing epic conflict to a contest of champions. Real warfare is almost statistical. Individual contributions matter, but only in aggregate. A modern war to "save the Earth" or anything similar would likely involve millions of participants -- far too many to know or care about even a small fraction. Virtually all of the participants are professionals and specialists, either young ones with very narrow scope or old ones sitting in a headquarters far away from the action. Giant mecha change all that. First, there are only a few mecha or equivalent (e.g., Angels) on either side -- few enough for the audience to recognize individually. The mass of the armed forces are reduced to supporting roles, if not total irrelevance, when the titans clash. Second, mecha pilots are typically selected for special, inherent qualities: innate talent, mystical power, living with a genius scientist. This allows the pilots to be, or at least start out as, regular Joes and Janes -- people to whom the audience in general can relate. These are often specifically children, a few years older than the show's target age, with whom the intended audience can identify. Again, there are few enough characters to make a coherent, self-contained cast. It is possible to have heroic characters without mecha (cf. Luke Skywalker or Frodo Baggins), just as it is possible to portray an epic conflict in all its vast complexity (cf. Legends of the Galactic Heroes). But giant mecha certainly make it easier to tell grand, sweeping stories about a mere handful of mostly ordinary characters. |
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Xyex
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The Sci-Fi/Mecha thing was as an analogy the fact that the genre is much broader than artwork that depicts extreme/bizarre violence (mutilation, dismemberment, scatology, etc.) in an erotic manner". Guro itself is a catch-all with a lot of sub-sets. What I'm simply trying to express is that, as with any fetish, there's a huge range to it. Yes, you have the extremes that the general public imideately thinks of when they hear "Guro" but you also have much tamer stuff, and things that the general public wouldn't really think of when they hear "Guro". |
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Lady Multi
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Ah come on now~! Ed/Al is cool...... No, really, seriously, not all Ed/Al books are bad, some are relitively sweet and make sense. I'm not personally a shipper of the pairing (I've read some but I don't own any), though it's more logical than say.... Itachi/Sasuke of Naruto. (crap, even with the incest I have to admit that THIS is hawt...and I hate Sasuke with a passion....well and considering the 'alternitive pairing' for Itachi...ItaSasu it is....gah.) It's just an enigma in yaoi fandom, really... incest-yaoi pairs. You dodge it, it attacks you. Some like it more than others; some don't really care (me); and some think it's disgusting... AND I am RANTING, when I need to go to sleep. </yaoidoujinluverfangirlrant> |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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