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NJ_
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Toei's terrible, they didn't fix Saint Seiya's color tint yet they kinda did for Slam Dunk's upscale (sadly the screencaps are gone) and yet for Sailor Moon's upscale, they didn't bother fixing the red tint that was present on the season 1 DVDs. Then you look at the new DBZ movie remasters and they're also inconsistent. |
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Stampeed Valkyrie
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I think one of the most notable (in a good way) BD releases was Bandai's Macross DYRL boxset. I have several copies of this movie, from Clash of the bionoids, to the LD. Regardless of medium the movie is always very dark.. then the Blu-Ray hits and all the dark colors are popping everywhere. One of the first times I really took notice is in the very beginning when Hikaru,Max, and Kakazaki, where getting ready to launch.. the colors identifying each valkyrie, Red, Blue, and Green jumped right out at you.. very different from my other copies.
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Shiflan
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Which artist, exactly? The contractor-for-hire to who painted a cel? The character designer who gave material to the animator to work from? The director, who was the one who sat with the color timing machine to tweak things when it was all said and done? But more importantly, I think the point is that even if you did have a "correct" copy somewhere it would never look that same way again. After all the film was shot the director and colorist sit in front of the color timer and set the color correction. Suppose we call that "correct". However, that's not an actual print yet. That's just a projector with some colored filters in it. The film gets sent off with the punchtape for the color correction and the film gets printed to make a master. That master does not match what the director & colorist just saw in front of them because now the film grain from the print changes, and every copy farther down the chain (i.e. a copy made for a theater or a VHS tape, LD, etc) would look different too. Even if you took the same exact master film and watched it in three different theaters it would look different because the projectors and rooms are slightly different. One might call the first color-corrected print on film to be "correct", but that's a moot point since it would look different every time it was viewed. |
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belvadeer
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Fascinating stuff. I've only read bits and pieces about filmmaking, but it's interesting to hear more firsthand experience with these matters.
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FLCLGainax
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nargun
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Not a lot, actually; the underlying colour models are virtually identical [theoretical "green" is slightly different?]. Ultimately these were designed to be shown on CRTs, you're limited by the colours of the phosphor chemicals you could run up, and these were the same for PAL and NTSC tubes. For complex reasons [noise and rounding errors], small colour-space differences are harder to manage than large ones; in my job in printing you get a better result by just ignoring small differences than trying to correct for them, and filmmakers are a lot less careful about this than we are. Although I do remember that Madman had problems with colour-space issues on a Ghibli DVD once... Spirited Away I think, they got masters that were colour-space ballanced for a different sort of projector that had a different white-point... The differences between PAL and NTSC basically only matter in broadcast situations. [colour is represented by phase difference; certain broadcast conditions lead to a constant phase shift between the sub-carriers which means a colour shift. The PAL signal is formulated in a way that lets this shift be detected and corrected with circuitry, and NTSC isn't and it needs to be corrected manually] |
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MrBonk
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While the content being broadcast was all made sure to be timed up the same, color wise. Very few people watching cable TV broadcasts probably had color calibrated CRTs so you could see things accurately. That's still true today, however it's easier than ever to calibrate a display and more accessible. (And trust met once you've calibrated your displays you can't go back. It's great to know what you are seeing is at least somewhat accurate) It's still ridiculous that overscan is enabled by default on modern displays and TV broadcasts and console games still have to account for them. |
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ChimeyChime
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This was very interesting and informative.
Never The Same Color.... bhahahahahahah that's hilarious lmao |
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DangerMouse
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If you love the show, definitely get it, it's a fantastic remaster! I think the little Pilot video is a new extra, since I think the DVDs only had the textless opening and closing plus some image galleries. The extras on the blu-ray are: Pilot Video, Trailer, Commercial Collection, Textless Opening and Closing Songs. Would have been cool if they'd included some of the Toonami ads stuff as extras. Yup, looking forward to those Kickstarter rewards |
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