Forum - View topicNEWS: Violet Evergarden Begins on Netflix in Some Territories, Not U.S.
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aiem
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First and foremost, it was already announced US will have it. So no this is not the same as not getting it at all because it wasn't licensed at your region by any company. Second, their binge watch approach for anime releases was already under immense scrutiny by the anime viewers they're trying to target. These two reasons alone make a huge difference to the ones you're trying to compare to. Make a proper comparison first before you blame the US audiences for overreacting. |
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Agent355
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When a show comes out every week, anticipation of every weekly episode keeps the discussion going for months, even for viewers with the shortest "attention spans", because the period of time they think about the show is naturally extended by the nature of its airing schedule. This isn't just for anime; there is more discussion about prestige cable shows that come out weekly (Game of Thrones for example) than Netflix's binge model dramas. Netflix doesn't seem to get why that's valuable, but creators do-- showrunners such as Orange is the New Black's Jenji Kohan have complained about Netflix's binge model (to no avail, obviously).
When you binge a show on your own time you might be able to find some people to discuss the show with: but when you watch week-to-week as it airs, you can converse with *hundreds* of people watching the same way you are by necessity. Bingeing tends to do away with the "communal" aspect of communal viewing. |
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relyat08
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Which isn't true. I always try to show as much sympathy as reasonably possible every time something like this happens, and I mostly see the same kind of expressions by everyone else I know. Like Alan45 said, there is only so much we can do, but being sympathetic, or at least conscientious and not out-right dicks, is exactly what most of us seem to be trying to do in most situations. I definitely am. I have no idea what more you expect us to do. In any event, I do NOT see Americans mocking people in other regions when they don't have access to something. Which is exactly what a lot of people are doing here. And what I'm frustrated and saddened by. Hence my comments. I guess like Alan45, I don't necessarily need sympathy, but simple consideration, and like previously mentioned, not acting like out-right dicks, would be nice. I've written a number of other comments about it already, so I don't really want to rehash them any more if possible. |
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Gatherum
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I still think Netflix's binge model could be very workable in this community if the community would give it more of a try--adapt, if you will. But you know what? That's fair. To be honest, I still can't relate much for reasons I already mentioned, but I'm not finding some immense fault in your logic, either. I can see my way to chalking it up to a difference in viewing habits and preferences--or even a relative lack of community sense on my part. Last edited by Gatherum on Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:31 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Alan45
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@Gatherum
A couple of points. Having the show come out weekly in no way harms someone who wants to binge watch. All they have to do is wait until the entire show is out to watch it, which is when it would be available for binge watching in the first place. Since Netflix is already putting the show out weekly in other countries in English any argument about them needing more time or that it is not cost effective lacks merit. I suspect that the person or persons responsible for setting policy for the US simply don't want to change prior decisions. Unfortunately most large organizations are good at insulating decision makers from those who actually have to respond to complaints. |
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Blanchimont
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No-one's made the point here yet, but perhaps Netflix is just gauging how viewer numbers are affected binge vs simulcast. You have to agree the setup is perfect for that.
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Shiroi Hane
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I’m still waiting to see it.
You mean like knowing Funimation has the UK rights to a show and knowing they have ways of streaming the, to the UK but it not happening: They started uploading full episodes to a YouTube, available in the UK when they had the rights. Then, they started simulcasting on YouTube, again unlocked (e.g. this is how I watched shows like Ookami-san and Legend if the Legendary Heroes). Then they suddenly stopped uploading full episodes to YouTube while all their other venues were North America-only. Then they started uploading to YouTube again, but always locked to North America. This wasn’t one show, it was for seasons if not years and they could have done it (as is clear by the catalogue in their UK site now) but didn’t; all it takes is two letters added to the whitelist. This is our frustration with the fuss over one show. |
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relyat08
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Yeah, exactly like that. And what I do whenever I hear about that kind of situation is share my sympathy and try to be considerate toward my UK friends because it really sucks for them. I don't say things like" HAHA SUCKS FOR YOU LOSERS!" Because I'm not 5 years old. And I realize that doesn't help the problem and only makes people bitter and instigates more frustration and resentment. Your Schadenfreuden to me is literally what makes the world a sh*tty place.
It's a possibility for sure. It might work better if they used two different shows in the same region though, rather than a single show in different regions, since, as they seem to think, different regions, apparently have differences in how they consume media. |
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Agent355
Posts: 5113 Location: Crackberry in hand, thumbs at the ready... |
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@Gatherum--Really glad I was able to convey the logic behind preferring watching weekly airing episodes to bingeing to you. Wish I could do the same to someone at Netflix! They claim their research found that people tend to only watch one show at a time until they complete it, and I want to yell at them that many people prefer variety when they aren't bingeing one single, long show!
As a fellow American, I think it's completely appropriate and validating to acknowledge that we are the ones who are usually privileged and endure a little bit of Schadenfreude, rather than hold fans who still get less access to anime than we do to the highest standard of ethics. Sure, it's the companies' fault, but as the primary customers of those companies, we don't do enough to demand equity (which is to say, we don't do anything to demand equity--I never heard of American customers sending complaints to Funimation for better service in the UK). Being frustrated is a normal human response to inequity, and the internet is the most logical place to vent.
I wonder when Netflix made the decision to simulcast the show in multiple territories, and who made that decision...
Exactly! There's the rub--there's no way to know who made this decision or what their reasoning was! |
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relyat08
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I don't think asking people to be civil and considerate is holding them to the highest standard of ethics. It's actually pretty much on the lowest rung. Right next to, don't be an asshole and don't take pleasure in other peoples' pain. |
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I'm gonna chime in on this conversation since there seems to be a lot of misunderstandings.
There is a lot of oh sad day for US going on now you feel how the rest of the world does. This isn't the argument at all the US gets the licenses because they have companies to license them that are willing to pay for them and as a business see a way to make their money back. A lot of other companies licensing anime wait for US companies to do all the expensive work and then sublicense off the work Japan and the US already did. The complaints at lack of Funimation Crunchyroll HIDIVE etc. not having your show or be available in your country comes down to licensing. These companies have to see value in the extra cost and a lot of the time the extra cost doesn't justify added in extra countries. This is when your local companies come into the licensing game and need to pick up these titles. It is all about money these are companies. The US companies have proven over the years they add some amount of value to the Japanese product hence why they get these licenses. At the very least the Japanese see a way to make money and these companies have built up relationships. This Netflix situation comes all down to money as well. I can't prove it but my guess is Netflix has a pretty big say in how VEG is released. They are more then likely trying out the simlucast format in safe areas where they figure they can Garner results but not effect sales. The US market is Netflixs biggest and they have spent years and millions of dollars pushing the binge watching idea. Heck I wouldn't doubt they fear adding in this series 1 episode at a time will not only confuse customers but muddy the waters and make them appear more like tradition tv. I'm sure they think their average customer may call up and complain since they cannot access the next episode. All in all why this is an oddity is because it's a US company simlucasting to the world but not the US. And to make things even weirder they are even simlu dubbing if it was just a tradition simlucast I wouldn't even bat an eye. This is Netflix though and they don't play by the 'rules' so who knows. |
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