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MokonaModoki
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Yeah, I honestly wouldn't have expected you to say anything else. And I think you meant 'implied', not applied. Be that as it may, if you have a fascination with the notion of adults and children having sex, then I'm pretty comfortable with what I said.
An entirely different situation from what? I was just relating an underlying cause of my personal hatred of pedophiles. I also hated dogs for many years because one killed my pet rabbit. I just got over the thing with dogs eventually. I'm sure there are many perfectly nice pedophiles out there who aren't big dumb animals like this kid was. I just don't care. And he wasn't retarded. He was just dumb and violent and was a couple of grades behind in school so everyone called him a retard. He knew right from wrong. He just didn't care. He wasn't just a kid, he was an adolescent predator with a need to dominate anyone younger than him that he could get his hands on, and everyone younger than him in the neighborhood knew it. Like I said, pedophilia develops in adolescence. He was just got with the program extra early. And "caregivers"? He was a freaking 'emotionally disturbed' child-rapist... I'm pretty sure that needing to watch their monster more closely was the least of what was wrong in that family compared to the task of creating him in the first place. He would have wanted to rape any child he could have gotten his hands on, he just picked the one that he thought couldn't tell on him. Last edited by MokonaModoki on Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ichiro3923
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I still believe that virtual/anime porn is not the primary cause for child molestation because: 1. This article has not given any proof, specifically data, graphs, tabes,etc that prove that virtual/animated porn actually harms children, nor did the journalist made any opinion: he/she just reported and quoted people with an opinion. 2.Jim Gamble who said: "Virtual crime has real victims..." does not have enough credibility for me to take his opinion at face value. ie. he is not a professor or an expert that researches how animated/virtual child porn causes harm to children. If he was an expert in that field then I may think otherwise. Until then, his opinions are as credible as anyone's. On a side note: There may be an indirect cause from animated/virtual child porn (depending on the individual) but animated porn does not directly harm children; it was the criminal/ rapists. I hate the fact that because there are cases where people were "influenced" by lolicon, people just focus on lolicon and not the criminal. What about the criminal: doesn't he play any role in the crime? or can people just easily excuse him because he watched lolicon. The day I believe that we should ban all lolicon material because of reported crimes is the day I believe that we should ban all forms of religion because I don't want people to be indirectly harmed by religion due to extremists/terrorists. Or why don't we also ban all forms of liquor because of reported drunk driving. Clearly beer is to blame yet the offender is not to blame even though he/she made the decision to drink w/out considering the consequences. Same logic we use to argue that we should ban lolicon. Last edited by ichiro3923 on Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:12 am; edited 4 times in total |
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britannicamoore
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When you said @15 i didn't realize that applied to yourself but to the guy. How does child porn relate to a rapist? I thought adolescent was when a child themselves is transisting to adulthood. If this is so, then he was probably a teen. Obviously, something was going on with this guy. I'm trying to figure out how you're relating this to child porn- a sick teen raping a child....it doesn't connect at all. Unless this guy had child porn in his house or on his computer then how does that relate to this piece? He sounds like a bully-dominating over weaker kids- but then it progressed further. Why? It seems like this indiviual; if he has the mindset you say probably would have raped anyone- not just a child. Its possible to say that he may have started with intnetions of starting small and moving onto anyone he could. Sure, raping one kid makes him and child rapist/child preadtor. But really it has no bearings in this thread. As for what you said first: Just because its against your code of ethics and whatnot, it suddenly becomes a "fasination". I've read different manga about murders, gore, killing for pleasure, and such. I play video games where people die horribly, get killed, shot in the head. I've seen moves were people cut each other down in cold blood. And yet- I have no "fasination" with the idea of anyone killing anyone. Nice try though. 
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XxAnimu_FGTxX
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lol Japanese government. The market for this stuff is too big to be taken down easily so I don't expect anything will change.
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MokonaModoki
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I was 10. The guy could have been 15, maybe 16. I don't understand what is confusing you about this. He was a post-pubescent sexually mature male who raped a 10-year-old child. Did you think that pedophiles had to be dirty old men? They can be teens or women, violent or docile, aroused by children exclusively or not, might never act out or might constantly feel the urge to do so. How does it matter whether he was 15 or 50?
Obviously if it related at all then that would depend upon the rapist, but in this case it doesn't (not to my knowledge). You're either ignoring the fact that my tale was declared to be off-topic from the beginning or you're just fixating on child-porn.
He was a predatory pedophile of the flavor with a need to dominate (i.e. not the "kids are soooo cute" kind), but "something wrong" is certainly a nice shorthand for it. And I'm not relating it to child porn. You are. You can stop trying because it isn't there.
If I start by saying that I'm off-topic, what is accomplished by then pretending that you are reading what I said as if it is supposed to be on-topic? Is it some kind of game? Okay. I get it. I was off-topic. Can we stop now? I promise to talk about child pornography if I post in this thread again. As I said originally, I'd already posted enough stuff defending the existence of virtual child pornography as an outlet to keep pedophiles from acting out that I wanted to present another side of how I felt. I'm pretty sure I'm repeating myself with this, but that was all there is to it. Pretending that there was supposed to be more is just exacerbating my crime against the forum.
I didn't misspell fascination that way and putting it in quotes like I did is cheating. And I don't know what you think I'm doing that would constitute a "nice try." What I said was pretty straightforward. Soooooooo...back on topic? We're talking about porn. P-o-r-n. Materials that are sexually explicit and intended to cause sexual arousal. If you are saying that you use violent video games and gory manga for the same purpose that you use porn for then I'd still have concerns about your psyche regardless of my opinion of pedophiles. I've already defended your damn virtual child porn on the basis that it might keep pedophilic urges in check, I just balanced it by saying that if you are into child porn that getting some help might be in order. What more are you looking for here? |
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britannicamoore
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Discliamer: Britannica Moore doesn't claim to own damn virtual child porn. Please don't sue. Its owned by someone else. Definitely skipped responding to a majority of this post because anything I would have said would have been downright rude. So don't think I was skipping because I feel that all of my explanations and thoughts went over your head and were wasted. Anyway, in short: Whatever way you're implying I read lolicon materials and "use" them is false. They don't magically appear in my hands at night before I go to bed. *cough* Nor do I read them on the playground. When I mentioned gory manga and video games I was saying the same thing above- whatever "fascination" you were suggesting isn't true. More? No, gonna pass. I've had my fill today. 
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MokonaModoki
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Can we at least clear the air then?
So I said that... followed by some spleen venting regarded my hatred for pedophiles. And now you say this:
I am at an utter loss to figure out how ANY of the above actually applied to you or offended you aren't into the child porn aspect. You've said you are a lolicon fan, but I was talking about lolicon porn, and not talking about other types of lolicon material. I did make a reference to adolescents, but I have been working from a presumption that you are out of your teens (because I had something registered in my head that you were at least 20). Was I incorrect? If not, I wasn't talking about you. And even if you do claim adolescence for yourself, if you simply take what I said as a generality instead of something about you then why would you not consider an interest in sexual activity with pre-pubescents a warning sign for someone who hasn't completely matured sexually?
Re: the morality and ethics thing, what I originally said was "No healthy person indulges in any type of fantasy about children having sex." Sure, that's just my opinion, but the APA criteria for a diagnosis of pedophilia can be met based on the presence of fantasies or sexual urges alone. If the criteria were met then it would be a mental health diagnosis, not an application of morality or ethics. As for implying anything about you, I didn't. The words "if you have a fascination with the notion of adults and children having sex" was a conditional, not an accusation. If you took umbrage at it then it is fair to conclude that you, not me, determined that the relevent condition 'if' applied to you. As near as I can tell, I never actually implied or said anything about you at all (or if I did I don't know it), but everything you've said suggests that you inferred that I did. The only thing I actually said about you was that a your post saying that you wouldn't live your life according to others morals was expected. I didn't say that because I was calling you a pedophile, I was saying that because I have observed you dismissing other arguments before for the similar reasons. So basically, I don't have the faintest notion what you think I was saying about you. Based on your replies I did think that you were saying that child porn was your hobby, and I thought that you were saying that you liked to indulge in fantasies about adults having sex with children, because that was the only way that I was capable of interpreting your replies as applicable to what I'd said. If there is something that I said that actually applies to you, and if you want to say so, then I might have a chance to understand what you are actually bothered by here. Absent that, all I can say is that I never intended to say or imply anything specifically about you, and if you think that I did then I apologize for the misunderstanding. |
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UtenaAnthy
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I very much agree with this, I stated my thoughts on the banning thing, but I do not want this shit monopolising anime, I don't want to see loli porn, and I should be able to watch anime of various genres and age acceptability levels without seeing loli porn. In case I didn't say, there should definetely be age restrictions, on this and drawn porn in general. HitokiriShadow: I do object to misandry (that's the word for anti-male discrimination, from andro as you can see) as much as misogyny, but I don't always put all my thoughts in comments, also oftentimes stereotypes of men are excuses for misogyny, ie. claiming men are dumb beasts who can't help themselves is misandrist, but also often used to normalise sexual violence against women and put the onus on them to stop rape as opposed to rapists stopping rape, by, y' know, NOT RAPING. |
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britannicamoore
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I thought you were saying I spoiler[jack off (is there a female way of saying this?) to kiddie porn.] -.-; Which isn't the case at all. I just read everything. I'm sorry I was rude. |
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Moomintroll
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I agree with you completely. The really disturbing thing is that they wouldn't be shoehorning this stuff into mainstream anime and manga if there wasn't an appetite for it amongst Japanese (and, increasingly it would seem, Euro-American) fandom. The same trend doesn't seem to be evident in literature or live-action movies / TV or any other art form I can think of. And that leads me to wonder what it is about this particular medium (or its fans) that is singling it out for an influx of what, in every other medium, seems to be a non-existant or ultra-niche fetish? |
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UtenaAnthy
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You could say masturbate, it's unisex. |
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MokonaModoki
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Quite so. And although I was not actually intending to say this about britannicamoore, I was obviously leaving open a "fill in the blank" regarding the purposes for which porn might be used. I'm sorry for causing any confusion or hurt feelings with such foolishness. |
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