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Chrno2
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I thoroughly enjoyed TM:8.0 when it aired. I'm very surprised that this title was even considered for release when you compare it to other mainstream titles. I'm actually glad that it did and am definitely adding it to my collection. It was really well thought out and by the end it will shock you. My jaw literally dropped. I also enjoyed the designs for the series as well especially for the character Mari. To bad no artbook exists though I'm sure a B&W production booklet does. Definitely worth seeing if you're looking for something different.
The only issues I've heard discussed on forums like Animesuki. One person was expressed his/her view about how they felt that the destruction and people's reaction wasn't realistic enough. Another chimed in and explained based on their knowledge that it was someone true, but they couldn't judge based on what they saw and that depending on what country you live in could differ in how civilians deal with these types of crisis. I couldn't voice anything as I've never been in that situation before. Not to mention I don't have any knowledge of how others countries deal with disasters. But surprised this was 'Shelf Worthy', good job Maiden Japan. |
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yuna49
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The disclaimer that Bamboo mentions makes one wonder where BONES went to do their research. The claimed death toll of 180,000 lives in TM 8.0 makes little sense in comparison to the 1923 Kantou quake, where many people lost their lives in the firestorm that swept across the wood-frame homes in Tokyo after the quake occurred. It also doesn't match the fatality rate of the Sendai quake either, where most of the deaths were the result of the tsunami, not the quake itself. Also the ratio of fatalities to injuries is much higher than the actual results of quakes in Japan and other countries over the past few decades. Contemporary Tokyo has some of the world's strictest building codes when it comes to earthquake-resistant designs.
One of the other highly implausible aspects of this show is how orderly and restrained the populace is. The 1923 quake led to widespread rioting and attacks against the local Korean population who were claimed, falsely, to have been engaged in looting. The people in TM 8.0 seem remarkably nonplussed by a disaster of the scale depicted here. Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 has a great character in Mari, who reminds me of a modern-day Balsa in both appearance and personality, and some moving scenes like those Bamboo described. But it also has a substantial dose of melodrama that undercuts the rest of the presentation. Big spoilers -- you have been warned spoiler[The writers boxed themselves into a corner by stretching out the "Is Yuuki alive?" plotline for as long as they did. It created the anomalous situation where Mari knows that Yuuki is dead, but she is never depicted comforting Mirai because the writers present this part of the story from Mirai's delusional perspective. It makes Mari seem cold and unfeeling when she has been anything but throughout nearly all the story.] |
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dtm42
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yuna49, I hate it when people slander a good show. So prepare thyself.
More people live in Tokyo now than before. When wooden buildings collapse the occupants have a higher chance of survival than when concrete buildings collapse. The earthquake in the series was forty percent more powerful and had an epicentre that was sixty kilometres closer than that of the 1923 quake.
The Tōhoku quake was quite far out to sea and 30km deep, so though the earthquake was stronger the energy was also more dissipated before reaching the mainland. That is why the tsunami caused most of the damage. The Tōhoku quake hit a region that was not as heavily populated as Tokyo. You cannot take two quakes in different places and draw conclusions between them without first taking into account the differences.
A quake hitting a major metropolis such as Tokyo is unprecedented for the last few decades. Not even the 1989 San Francisco quake is comparable. With Tokyo's buildings, if they do collapse it will be a slaughter and many people would die rather than merely be injured. As in, either you are inside a collapsed building and you die, or you survive with little injury because your building stands. Therefore it is not surprising that in such a disaster that the ratio between fatalities and injuries is going to be different to other disasters.
I used to think this way too, but then the second Canterbury quake happened. New Zealand is also an island nation prone to quakes, and so we too have an especially strong earthquake code compared to most first-world countries. On paper. In practice however, it was a different story. Poor designs, and substandard construction methods - and lazy building inspectors who signed off on them - meant that several buildings which in theory should never have collapsed in actuality did so. Two buildings together comprised the overwhelming bulk of the fatalities in the quake. The first pancaked so badly that people who were on the top floor were able to walk out of the building unaided and without using stairs, because what was once the top floor was now at ground level. The second trapped numerous people inside it - most of them alive - and then caught fire, asphyxiating them before charring their corpses. Therefore, who knows how well - or badly - Japan's buildings would fare in the face of the most devastating earthquake in their entire history? If a small city like Christchurch can find its emergency services stretched by the quake, then a major metropolis like Tokyo would be overwhelmed.
Guess what? This is no longer 1923. People are more civilised, and Japan has a civilian government instead of a military administration. While looting would definitely be a problem if a major earthquake struck, today's Japan would not find itself engaging in mass killings of Koreans, Chinese and other ethnicities.
This is more open to interpretation. spoiler[I never thought whilst watching the show that Mari was being cold. She simply didn't know how to deal with breaking the news to Mirai, especially when the latter was acting so unnervingly cheery (until she found out). Also, if Mirai can deceive herself into thinking that Yuuki is alive, then surely she can forget about any time Mari comforted her. Remember, there is a gap in her memories at the hospital, it is quite possible that Mari did say something at the time but Mirai forgot as part of her delusion.] Edit: fixed a couple of typos Last edited by dtm42 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:17 am; edited 1 time in total |
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CrowLia
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My thoughts exactly, I thought I was the only one around here who thought like that. The gratuitous drama and exaggerated tragedy was too overdone and doesn't seem plausible. If that disclaimer hadn't existed I wouldn't be bothered by it, but the fact that it was at the beginning of each episode really undermined my appreciation of the series because I couldn't take it seriously at all and even got mad at their insistence of the realism of the portrayal. On the matter of riots and chaos post-disaster, I actually just attended a series of conferences (more like speeches and testimonies) about the Tohoku quake. One of them was from a Japanese exchange student who lived very close to where the quake and tsunami hit and she described the situation of panic, confusion and fear they all went through: no electricity or running water, food supplies were scarce, people couldn't communicate with their loved ones, etc. I just don't feel like this was the kind of scenario that TM8.0 depicted, preferring over-the-top destruction porn -spoiler[the Tokyo Tower collapsing]- and individual tragedy. |
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yuna49
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There are a number of things I liked about TM 8.0, but they all had to do with the interpersonal relationship among the kids and Mari. When TM 8.0 was airing I made a longer presentation of the arguments above about the realism of the show, with more supporting evidence and statistics, in a posting on that site that many not be named. You're welcome to take a look there. I think "slander" is a bit over-the-top here, dtm42. How about "criticize" instead? |
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dtm42
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You deliberately ignored key differences in your examples, and claimed implausibilities that do not exist. So yes, I stand by all the words I used in my earlier post. And no, I'm not going to go to another forum (I assume it is Anime Love?) and track down your years-old postings there. If you've got something to say to me, say it here. Or copy-paste it to here, whatever. Edit: fixed typo. Last edited by dtm42 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:15 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Blood-
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I really love it when anime fans decide that they're experts in how much damage a fictional earthquake would or would not do.
 And as for the moronic observation that TM 8.0 concentrated on "individual tragedy"- oh, ffs. I guess the show would have been better if it had concentrated on the happy side of earthquake damage?
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walw6pK4Alo
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You don't have to be an expect, a basic understanding of earthquakes and geologic principals would suffice. A deeper and further away quake, even if it's stronger, will be less effective than one with its epicenter directly under Tokyo Bay.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Hmm... so a sol anime of that takes place during a natural disaster. Well let's get koyoto animation on this asap. |
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