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EP. REVIEW: World's End Harem


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Angel M Cazares



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:35 am Reply with quote
If the show had good writing I might tolerate the censorship, but I find it pointless to watch a show full of boobs censored. I hope there is an uncensored BD release because I refuse to watch Crunchyroll's consored stream. I don't know what CR was thinking paying good money for a censored version that no one wants to watch.
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Watched the AT-X stream of this and it was still pretty crap (just with added nipples).

I started reading WeH a while ago and yes the plot does get a little better - if you're into NTR etc but I'd rather have "Y The last man standing" over this lackluster rubbish any day.

I am looking forwards to the weekly reviews though.....

Hopefully the Sharpie censoring isn't a sign of things to come now Sony own CR & Funi, Even Disney+ censoring Splash was done better.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:40 pm Reply with quote
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
I'd hazard to say that there are many who didn't because you have to be old enough to remember that thing (1990). I could unpack how the two don't compare that well but won't for brevity. Maybe you are referring to the TV series that I didn't know existed until just now? Can't comment to that...


Just for your context the TV series has been very popular (especially season one, less so as it goes on I believe.) and also renewed interest in the novel, to the point Margaret Atwood wrote a sequel which was published in 2019.
Most people talking about it probably haven't read the book or seen the 1990 film, but it's still a popular series that's well known. Saying stuff like "may the lord open" or "blessed be the fruit" in a casual conversation as a joke is becoming more common.

zztop wrote:
For those interested, WEH also has 2 more franchise instalments, Fantasia and Britannia Lumiere. They share roughly the same themes, but have very different premises and characters. Has anyone here read them?

(Note: Fantasia is still ongoing, but Britannia Lumiere's ended early and inconclusively (presumably) due to author's health issues.)


I read a little of Britannia when it first came on Manga+, because I was confused how it was relevant to the source media. It was... ok? But I stopped reading about 4 chapters in because it wasn't particularly interesting. I'm not sure if it ended up being sexy but it was pretty dry from what I read.
I believe Fantasia is the one where they're at some magic school with different creatures or something? I haven't read it because it looked like it was just a sexy manga like the original and probably didn't have much else to contribute (not that it needs to, of course, but it's just not for me).

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Hopefully the Sharpie censoring isn't a sign of things to come now Sony own CR & Funi, Even Disney+ censoring Splash was done better.

??I don't think this has any correlation to Sony or CR or Funi. It was purely the animation companies decision and would be how the show was presented on TV. How they censor a show is up to the animation company, so sometimes they'll just cop out with the mysterious steam or light beams or sometimes put in more effort and have like funny censors (i believe testament of sister new devil had some creative censors?). In this case they chose the black square things. To me it looks kinda like it's meant to be a glitch, which maybe connects to the story in some way, idk. But it's definitely not some big conspiracy of Sony wanting to censor everything in existence.

Anyway, fully on topic, I have no plans to watch the show (I believe I did read like 1 or so chapters of the manga ages ago and it was not great), but I'll probably check in on the reviews and thread just to see how the wacky dystopian sexy shenanigans are going.
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Gina Szanboti



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So I sat through the first couple eps to be up to speed with what I thought might be a fun troll review. I don't mind that that's not the case, but I don't think I'll be sticking around for more of the series or reviews. There's really nothing for me to grab onto here...um, so to speak. Wink
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Finally, I have to praise the modicums of thought that were put into the series' worldbuilding. It makes sensible gestures to the widespread poverty and violence that would arise from half the planet's population disappearing

See, now that's where they lost me right off the bat. It was explicitly stated that technology and society had advanced, hand-wavy somehow, to where no one had to work, and everyone just did what they wanted to. So why would half the population disappearing change that? Why would there be food shortages with half the mouths to feed? Were there in fact essential workers (all apparently male) who didn't count among "everybody" and who were just taken for granted (as many tend to do irl)? Were men choosing to do the labor of say, mining or harvesting crops and transporting them, for the fun of it? Who was doing all the pre-virus maintenance of the infrastructure just because they liked to? I'm sure some people would, but not enough of them to feed and support 10 billion people. If robots and AIs were handling all these essential jobs, why would they suddenly break down along with the men dying out? Were they powered by testosterone?

So yeah, for me the worldbuilding absolutely sucked, but then I wasn't expecting it to be thoughtful in the first place. Might've been better had they not tried to, given how they shot themselves in the foot. (to be clear, the only thing I'm arguing seriously here is the statement quoted from the review. I mean, I'm watching Rusted Armors, so clearly worldbuilding and plot and quality are not deal-breaking requirements for me. Laughing)

Btw, my preferred take on a female world is the Webtoon "Woman World." The only real attempt at setting the premise is "The last generation artificially born was all female." The rest is just funny. (slightly nsfw? some full frontal, but simple, sketch art) This one seems rather on topic here. Wink
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Gina Szanboti wrote:
See, now that's where they lost me right off the bat. It was explicitly stated that technology and society had advanced, hand-wavy somehow, to where no one had to work, and everyone just did what they wanted to. So why would half the population disappearing change that? Why would there be food shortages with half the mouths to feed? Were there in fact essential workers (all apparently male) who didn't count among "everybody" and who were just taken for granted (as many tend to do irl)? Were men choosing to do the labor of say, mining or harvesting crops and transporting them, for the fun of it? Who was doing all the pre-virus maintenance of the infrastructure just because they liked to? I'm sure some people would, but not enough of them to feed and support 10 billion people. If robots and AIs were handling all these essential jobs, why would they suddenly break down along with the men dying out? Were they powered by testosterone?


Y the Last Man covered similar subjects. I remember it brought up various statistics like how only 3% of airline pilots were women, 5% of mechanics are women, and other fields are heavily male dominated like construction workers, engineers, and farmers. Granted, Worlds End Harem is more sci-fi but if most of the roboticists and programmers were male, then it stands to reason that they would fall into disrepair sooner or later.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:21 pm Reply with quote
But since the series said everyone just did what they wanted to (which is the big monkey wrench in the whole premise), I'd imagine there'd be a lot of women pilots who like to fly (and all pilots would likely have AI backup, assuming all commercial flights at least weren't already exclusively AI-piloted). Same for every other occupation.

And there's no reason to assume that in WEH's world (which sounds very different from the one postulated in Y) most of the programmers and roboticists would still be overwhelmingly male, since most everyone would be in it for something interesting to do, rather than relying on it for the paycheck or gender self-esteem ("That's women's work. I'm doing men's work!"). In fact, for this system to work at all, the AIs and robots would need to be pretty much self-sustaining. The only human input needed would probably be when a new external issue needed action (like the virus, or creating entertainment) or new discoveries needed to be implemented or incorporated.

It would also take awhile for these systems to start breaking down (see even Life After People, for how long some automated systems would keep running without anybody, even with our more limited tech), and women can, you know, learn things in the meantime. Really, it's the whole "nobody has to work" bit that just laid waste to my otherwise willing suspension of disbelief, especially given that this is the well-established norm less than 20 years from where we are now. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:29 pm Reply with quote
harminia wrote:


zztop wrote:
For those interested, WEH also has 2 more franchise instalments, Fantasia and Britannia Lumiere. They share roughly the same themes, but have very different premises and characters. Has anyone here read them?

(Note: Fantasia is still ongoing, but Britannia Lumiere's ended early and inconclusively (presumably) due to author's health issues.)


I read a little of Britannia when it first came on Manga+, because I was confused how it was relevant to the source media. It was... ok? But I stopped reading about 4 chapters in because it wasn't particularly interesting. I'm not sure if it ended up being sexy but it was pretty dry from what I read.
I believe Fantasia is the one where they're at some magic school with different creatures or something? I haven't read it because it looked like it was just a sexy manga like the original and probably didn't have much else to contribute (not that it needs to, of course, but it's just not for me).

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I read Britannia to the end, it wasn't exactly sexy. The very few sex scenes were mainly implied; and most of it was showing off eye-candy male characters in the vein of shoujo/josei manga and otome games.
Most of the focus was plot, namely how factions summoned their own Holy saintesses and how one of the evil male characters wanted to sabotage MC so he could kill off one of the male leads. And as mentioned, the author prematurely ended the manga (on a "the true adventure begins now" note).

Fantasia was the one in the fantasy world (you are likely thinking of the humour spinoff in a highschool setting). Although I know some people preferred Fantasia because they integrated the serious plot and fanservice better (WEH changes between plot and sexy felt too tonally dissonant.
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(which sounds very different from the one postulated in Y)

Yep, Y’s version of the premise is a “suppose it happened tomorrow” one, rather than one with more futuristic developments intervening.
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Angel M Cazares wrote:
If the show had good writing I might tolerate the censorship, but I find it pointless to watch a show full of boobs censored. I hope there is an uncensored BD release because I refuse to watch Crunchyroll's consored stream. I don't know what CR was thinking paying good money for a censored version that no one wants to watch.


If people can watch JoJo censored I don’t know why people wouldn’t watch this censored.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:16 pm Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:
Angel M Cazares wrote:
If the show had good writing I might tolerate the censorship, but I find it pointless to watch a show full of boobs censored. I hope there is an uncensored BD release because I refuse to watch Crunchyroll's consored stream. I don't know what CR was thinking paying good money for a censored version that no one wants to watch.


If people can watch JoJo censored I don’t know why people wouldn’t watch this censored.

Because unlike JoJo WEH does not have good writing. WEH's main draw is seeing naked women, and if you can't do that there is no point in watching it.
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Angel M Cazares wrote:
Because unlike JoJo WEH does not have good writing. WEH's main draw is seeing naked women, and if you can't do that there is no point in watching it.


That seems like a bit of a hasty generalization. I find the story quite interesting myself, and it's hardly all nudity all the time. There's plenty of chapters where there's no nudity or anything at all.
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Have you ever wondered what a porn version of The Truman Show would look like? No? Well, World End Harem will tell you anyway, now that the 3rd man has been introduced.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:13 pm Reply with quote
Angel M Cazares wrote:

Because unlike JoJo WEH does not have good writing. WEH's main draw is seeing naked women, and if you can't do that there is no point in watching it.


Jojo doesn't have good writing (or rather writing that's consistently good) and the main appeal is the gay undertones and violence/gore which was edited in broadcast/stream but no one seemed to mind.

So I don't think it's entirely correct to say no one will watch WEH harem edited.
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Holy cow, is this ever my show! Enjoying the heck out of it. This is for every guy that got bullied by jocks and looked down at by girls for being a nerd. Talk about revenge porn They could make a whole show for me about how Doi-kun gets with and who he gets with and I appreciate that he doesn't look at women as objects but seeks relationship first ~Onegai Teacher ~ Cool . Unlike mister #1. One can see that the show could get into character studies, like what do you do if one of the old class girls who so savagely dunked on him come calling looking for "favor"? Snub the hell out of those B**chs!!! However, getting real, he is also smart enough to start making trouble for the UW by asking uncomfortable questions which should see him allied with mister #2.
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