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Moomintroll
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So what? If they couldn't illustrate child abuse fantasies, they'd draw something else and it would still sell. It's not as though there was no manga/anime/doujinshi market before loli came onto the scene in the 1980s.
Since when have obscenity laws been about economics? According to your logic, nothing would be banned, anywhere, ever. Or at least not as long as somebody was making money from it. And I'm not sure why you say the "Japanese preferred solution" - can you name a country in the developed world that doesn't have any obscenity-related regulations on business? |
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Goodpenguin
Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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Speaking to this and similar sentiments earlier along the lines of 'There so much stuff like 'Nymphet', what you see in anime, manga, and doujinshi is many times not at all representative of mainstream Japanese culture/social acceptance. The 'Otaku'/anime/manga market is (relatively) big business, but it's still a niche market, even in Japan. For a lot of unique cultural reasons Japan has long played 'See no Evil/Hear no Evil' with the content of fringe entertainment, and that's led to a point where content has gotten edgier and edgier over the years. Japan has been dealing with a somewhat pervasive youth alienation/sexual/violence problem for a few years now, and people are clamping down on the more extreme fringes. Culture pushes in and culture pushes out, that's the way all societies work. No 'waters edge' to entertainment isn't liberty, it's libertine. |
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minakichan
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I think we really need to note that this doesn't even specify what "regulations" means. If we're talking about ANY kind of regulation at ALL, I think that most people in Japan or elsewhere would agree that virtual child pornography should, at the very least, be stickered 18+ on the cover, so that little kids seeing cute pictures on the front won't pick it up.
This isn't a poll asking whether it should be banned or not. I would almost say that I don't think that 87% of the Japanese population would support banning virtual child porn-- not because of otaku subculture, but because aside from people who engage in virtual child porn, there are a lot of people who support unlimited free expression. You know, if it were up to me, virtual child porn would be banned, but to be reasonable, I would say that I do wish there was some regulation in some capacity. |
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Richard J.
 Posts: 3367 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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I'd be more interested by these numbers if specifics for the term "regulation" were used. If I did a poll that asked "do you think murderers should be punished?" I'd get a high number of "yes" answers too. Adding a specific "by execution" would likely change those numbers.
The same likely with this. If the poll specifically talked about banning the loli porn, the number for would likely drop a bit. They need to follow up with a level of regulation poll. Of course, policy by poll numbers can be a foolish thing. Plenty of very bad policies have been very popular throughout history. Waits to be called a pedo. |
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Ktimene's Lover
 Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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Damn, that's a lot of pervs. I thought hentai was bad enough but to have shouta and lolita complexes allowed on the web, nasty!
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bglassbrook
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So the person walks up to you, asks if you would mind taking a survey, and after you agree .... proceeds to ask if you think child porn should be regulated. Why are folks surprised the results are high? I suspect the reason they are that LOW is because with a sample of only 3,000 each individual caries more weight. |
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britannicamoore
 Posts: 2618 Location: Out. |
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EDIT: 1700+ people? How many people live in Japan who are over 20? Sorry, but this poll doesn't mean anything.
And with the poll being asked face to face individually- i'm sure many of the people weren't as true about what was on their minds. I know everytime I get asked "do you drink" i say no. but its a lie. Last edited by britannicamoore on Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:33 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Steroid
 Posts: 329 Location: At home, where all good hikikomori should be |
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Hm, so accepting these numbers, it means that 87% of people in Japan are WRONG. And that they have no idea of how government is supposed to work. Child porn manga is ink on paper, that's all. No one has the right to regulate the patterns by which a person can put ink to paper.
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nargun
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Error margins of polls are determined almost entirely by the size of the sample, not the size of the population from which the sample is taken. Yes, increasing population size has an effect, but the errors have a limit, they don't go to infinity as the population does. For an example. it's fairly obvious that you don't need to roll a die or toss a coin an infinite number of times to get a decent idea of whether it's true or not [you don't need an infinite number of samples], even though the number of times you could roll the die or toss the coin is infinite [even though the population is infinite]. And since the population of japan clearly isn't infinite, we don't need very large samples there, either. The normal number cited [and I've verified the calculations myself, many years ago] is that a poll of 1000 people gives a 95% chance [19-in-20] of being within 3% of the 'correct' number, subject to some fairly minor hedges. |
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Amasa
 Posts: 340 Location: Japan |
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Have you read Blink by Malcom Gladwell by any chance? "Regulations" can mean anything from complete ban to just the banning of reported material. I don't think this stuff should be banned because as has been said in countless other topics like this, enjoying cartoon porn involving minors is not illegal since nobody is being harmed. |
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britannicamoore
Posts: 2618 Location: Out. |
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I'll be honest, i'm never very good at math. In fact: I fail outside of basic equations. I still feel it might be a 50/50 on the idea. Seeing as how hikikomori don't come outside. |
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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Yeah I would just like to add that most polls in the US have from n=700 to n=1000, with most nowadays hitting around 1000. There are some very few exceptions, but the standard is right around there. You get much bigger and your talking major dough to dish out. Edit: I'd also like to point out that sample size is not the only factor in determining the ± error percentage. But that most poll takers will try to make sure the data will never reach higher than ±5%. Again there are exceptions, but you get the point. |
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Jariten
Company Representative
 Posts: 180 Location: Here and there |
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For those of you arguing with the poll numbers, here's some food for thought:
- Grassroots/community protests of pornographic manga and manga depicting sexual acts against minors is nothing new for Japan. Fred Schodt talked about the "white mailboxes" for such materials in his book Dreamland Japan, and in my three years of living in Japan, I saw many similar movements in my area. - Many major bookstores in Japan don't stock this kind of pornographic material anyway. The pornographic material that most people take offense to is usually sold in shops that cater to a strictly otaku audience. - Pornographic manga about children is directly related to the Miyazaki Tsutomu incident, also known as "the reason that otaku were heavily discriminated against in the press and by people all over Japan for 15 years straight." Seriously, if you have an opinion about this topic and don't know about the importance of the Miyazaki Tsutomu incident, I suggest you look it up. Miyazaki was very obsessed with this kind of manga and anime, and his crimes are still very much embedded in the consciousness of many Japanese people. Of course, if the "people associate this stuff with psycho killers" argument doesn't sway you, feel free to visit Japan, profess a love of all things Nymphet to your gracious hosts, and watch their response. Enjoy your deportation hearing! |
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Rei Sentoki
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One wonders at the affect of "age of majority" issues. By U.S. legal standards, and apparently Japanese ones as well, almost all anime characters are children. So, is Full Metal Panic! child porn because Chidori is "starkers" in the opening? What about the "graphically explicit" Crayon Shin-chan dangly bits?
Would a poll on guro yield similar numbers? "Pardon me, miss, but your government wants to know if you enjoy seeing graphic murders?" How many people will reply "Boo yaa! Oh, yeah! I just can’t get enough of seeing the human body graphically torn apart! Just makes my day. Say, you free tonight? You like knives?" One would think government authorities would have enough on their plates with real on-the-books crime without actively seeking out thoughtcrimes to prosecute. |
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Paludis
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What a bunch of useless statistics. The questions were asked face to face, of course people aren't going to say that they approve of lolicon. I don't have any problem with lolicon but if someone asked me in RL I'd probably say "oh yeah its disgusting"
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