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NEWS: Macross Frontier Volume 1 Ships 45,000 Blu-ray Discs

Atlus wrote:

jsc315 wrote: they could easily fit the whole series on 1-2 blu-ray discs there is no reason for this at all. They could probably fit the whole season on twice without losing much quality at all. Oh well, supply and demand is a wonderful thing.

This is just not true.

At 1080p, even using AVC compression, once you include lossless 5.1 audio, you could fit 6 hours on a double layered BD (50 GB) and maintain quality. So the max they could really do is 12 or so episodes per disc without losing quality (or 6 on a single layered one) BD's were designed to have approxmately the same capacity as DVDs in terms of length, except that they'd store HD video instead of SD.

However if you are talking about storing SD video on a blu-ray, then yes, you could fit the entire 26 episode season on 1 50 GB blu-ray.

Could someone enlighten me about those issues with Macross in the US? I kinda feel out of place when I read this

samuelp wrote:

Atlus wrote: jsc315 wrote: they could easily fit the whole series on 1-2 blu-ray discs there is no reason for this at all. They could probably fit the whole season on twice without losing much quality at all. Oh well, supply and demand is a wonderful thing. This is just not true. At 1080p, even using AVC compression, once you include lossless 5.1 audio, you could fit 6 hours on a double layered BD (50 GB) and maintain quality. So the max they could really do is 12 or so episodes per disc without losing quality (or 6 on a single layered one) BD's were designed to have approxmately the same capacity as DVDs in terms of length, except that they'd store HD video instead of SD. However if you are talking about storing SD video on a blu-ray, then yes, you could fit the entire 26 episode season on 1 50 GB blu-ray.

I find this hard to believe. An hour of high fidelity audio can fit on a CD (700mb) so we are looking at around 300mb per episode and even at 1080p an episode of anime won't even exceed 1Gb per episode. So at 1.5Gb per episode (at the most) you can fit about 15/16 episodes on a single layered disc. Even if I am off by a bit I doubt that one episode takes up around 4Gb.

Not quite twice but a lot more than 6.

samuelp wrote:

Atlus wrote: jsc315 wrote: they could easily fit the whole series on 1-2 blu-ray discs there is no reason for this at all. They could probably fit the whole season on twice without losing much quality at all. Oh well, supply and demand is a wonderful thing. This is just not true. At 1080p, even using AVC compression, once you include lossless 5.1 audio, you could fit 6 hours on a double layered BD (50 GB) and maintain quality. So the max they could really do is 12 or so episodes per disc without losing quality (or 6 on a single layered one) BD's were designed to have approxmately the same capacity as DVDs in terms of length, except that they'd store HD video instead of SD. However if you are talking about storing SD video on a blu-ray, then yes, you could fit the entire 26 episode season on 1 50 GB blu-ray.

I find this hard to believe. An hour of high fidelity audio can fit on a CD (700mb) so we are looking at around 300mb per episode and even at 1080p an episode of anime won't even exceed 1Gb per episode. So at 1.5Gb per episode (at the most) you can fit about 15/16 episodes on a single layered disc. Even if I am off by a bit I doubt that one episode takes up around 4Gb.

Not quite twice but a lot more than 6.

even at 1080p an episode of anime won't even exceed 1Gb per episode.

samuelp wrote:

Atlus wrote: jsc315 wrote: they could easily fit the whole series on 1-2 blu-ray discs there is no reason for this at all. They could probably fit the whole season on twice without losing much quality at all. Oh well, supply and demand is a wonderful thing. This is just not true. At 1080p, even using AVC compression, once you include lossless 5.1 audio, you could fit 6 hours on a double layered BD (50 GB) and maintain quality. So the max they could really do is 12 or so episodes per disc without losing quality (or 6 on a single layered one) BD's were designed to have approxmately the same capacity as DVDs in terms of length, except that they'd store HD video instead of SD. However if you are talking about storing SD video on a blu-ray, then yes, you could fit the entire 26 episode season on 1 50 GB blu-ray.

I find this hard to believe. An hour of high fidelity audio can fit on a CD (700mb) so we are looking at around 300mb per episode and even at 1080p an episode of anime won't even exceed 1Gb per episode. So at 1.5Gb per episode (at the most) you can fit about 15/16 episodes on a single layered disc. Even if I am off by a bit I doubt that one episode takes up around 4Gb.

Not quite twice but a lot more than 6.

indrik, Kvicksilver - thanks for the answers. Now I know why all the Macross fans in the US hate HG and Robotech so much

I'm watching Macross 7 now (well - in not that much legal way; I just couldn't resist) and must say - it's GOOD. Better than Plus (though some people would certainly disagree).
If it's ever going to have English subtitles I'm definitely going to buy it

Atlus wrote:

samuelp wrote: Atlus wrote: jsc315 wrote: they could easily fit the whole series on 1-2 blu-ray discs there is no reason for this at all. They could probably fit the whole season on twice without losing much quality at all. Oh well, supply and demand is a wonderful thing. This is just not true. At 1080p, even using AVC compression, once you include lossless 5.1 audio, you could fit 6 hours on a double layered BD (50 GB) and maintain quality. So the max they could really do is 12 or so episodes per disc without losing quality (or 6 on a single layered one) BD's were designed to have approxmately the same capacity as DVDs in terms of length, except that they'd store HD video instead of SD. However if you are talking about storing SD video on a blu-ray, then yes, you could fit the entire 26 episode season on 1 50 GB blu-ray. I find this hard to believe. An hour of high fidelity audio can fit on a CD (700mb) so we are looking at around 300mb per episode and even at 1080p an episode of anime won't even exceed 1Gb per episode. So at 1.5Gb per episode (at the most) you can fit about 15/16 episodes on a single layered disc. Even if I am off by a bit I doubt that one episode takes up around 4Gb. Not quite twice but a lot more than 6.

This is just entirely wrong. Average bitrates on most blu-ray discs are around 30 - 40 Mbit/s with audio included. The standard allows up to 54 Mbit/s. Your 1.5 Gb per episode estimate is about 8 Mbit/s. That it pretty good for DVD. Anything released on Blu-ray at such a low bitrate would probably have "quality" that would only ensure that newcomers to the format would never buy another disc again.

I'm really not sure why people are clamoring for DVD bit-rates on Blu-ray, unless if they really don't give a damn about quality.

And they wonder why fans DL a HD, fansubbed copy of the show...oh, wait, i know why, because we won't see this for about another year at least, and it prolly won't have "ALL THAT VF" on the disc, and probably not both versions of the first episode. We get slided like that all the time...just like whatever happened to Gundam Wing: Odd and Even Numbers?" Or my ZETA MOVIES I-III?

GoldenAvenger7 wrote:

And they wonder why fans DL a HD, fansubbed copy of the show...oh, wait, i know why, because we won't see this for about another year at least, and it prolly won't have "ALL THAT VF" on the disc, and probably not both versions of the first episode. We get slided like that all the time...just like whatever happened to Gundam Wing: Odd and Even Numbers?" Or my ZETA MOVIES I-III?

Your in the wrong thread, here you go. Plus it isn't a matter of waiting a year for this release. If all I had to wait was a year, I would be overjoyed. It is a matter of never having a release period, due to reasons you are obviously unaware of.
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Also, I don't want to sound like a broken record, but can anyone confirm that it has no English subs. I have heard some people throw that around but it was never put as a definitive answer. Thanks.

More power to you sir! Major props for saying that you think Macross 7 is good. I wouldn't go as far as to say "it's better than Plus" - they're different kinds of show and I have thoroughly enjoyed both. I wish people would look beyond some of the early repetitiveness and minor absurdities and see how awesome Macross 7 is.

Also I love Basara's music