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NEWS: Tokyo Bill on 'Virtual' Child Porn Set for March Vote


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keikanki



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:00 pm Reply with quote
PetrifiedJello wrote:
Then so allow the public policy to fight the proposed law... in Japan.


You might be an interesting person to discuss this issue with, if you were actually discussing instead of focusing your full attention on smokescreening and molesting poor innocent analogies that had had some meaning in their lives before you got hold of them.

Also if you bothered to look up jargon you don't understand before repeating it. (Public policy is not an entity, but thanks for the chuckle there.) Wink

PetrifiedJello wrote:
My platinum trophy of Excellence in Anime Viewing states I do win. Regardless of the outcome in Japan, I win because you haven't stated what I'd lose.


On the contrary, after the previous exchange I'm pretty sure we're wasting our breath on you... but, if you're genuinely interested in challenging those preconceptions... previous post, Gaiman essay...
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Hannish Lightning



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:19 pm Reply with quote
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How do I know that you are not a sentient carrot or broccoli ?

It's something you just know. A cat knows it's a cat, a dog knows it's a dog, and I know I am human. Also because I am not green, orange, and I taste nothing like broccoli or a carrot.
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Drunk_Samurai



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:34 pm Reply with quote
Hannish Lightning wrote:
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How do I know that you are not a sentient carrot or broccoli ?

It's something you just know. A cat knows it's a cat, a dog knows it's a dog, and I know I am human. Also because I am not green, orange, and I taste nothing like broccoli or a carrot.


We all know you are trolling so that's something we all know too.
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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:01 pm Reply with quote
keikanki wrote:
You might be an interesting person to discuss this issue with...

Not when the issue at hand has no resolution. Sorry, but the full cycle of "Yes, censorship is bad! No, it isn't!" is tiring. I'd rather not indulge in wasting time like this.

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...if you were actually discussing instead of focusing your full attention on smokescreening and molesting poor innocent analogies

I've stated my opinion on this matter from my perspective while trying to use a little levity. I believe it was about 4 or 5 posts ago.

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(Public policy is not an entity, but thanks for the chuckle there.) Wink

The remark was intended to be facetious, but I'm glad you saw the irony in it. For those unaware: those who put forth the government by democracy then turn and object when those very proxies now create new law (public policy).

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On the contrary...

Did you just proved my point? Now it's my turn to chuckle. Very Happy

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...if you're genuinely interested in challenging those preconceptions...

I put bold on the emphasis on why I'm not interested.
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keikanki



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:13 pm Reply with quote
PetrifiedJello wrote:
keikanki wrote:
You might be an interesting person to discuss this issue with...

Not when the issue at hand has no resolution. Sorry, but the full cycle of "Yes, censorship is bad! No, it isn't!" is tiring. I'd rather not indulge in wasting time like this.


Then you should stop posting. If you're bored, it's probably because your contributions to the discussion are simply bouncing back and forth between the "No, it isn't!" phase of the cycle and total off-topic-ness.

Some of us continue to post in the interest of actual exchange with other points of view. Public forum? Usernames on the left? Other people besides yourself and your internal flowchart of the subject happening here?

And on that note I'm finished with this parade of completely uninteresting metaconversation. If anyone actually wants to discuss something on topic to save my brain from intellectual starvation here it wouldn't go unappreciated...
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Hasfusel



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:51 pm Reply with quote
Eh, before I discuss this I want to be entirely clear on the legal aspect.

1) Is it (in general) illegal to simply view a webpage with illegal images, and how could viewing such a page lead to prosecution?

2) Also, so far has there been any clarification by people who know what they're talking about, on what the extent would be of the proposed Tokyo Bill - would manga be banned for containing panty flash, fanservice scenes, for example, or for having underage (say, 17 years old) female characters with unrealistically large breasts (God knows there's a billion of these)? Would something like My Neighbour Totoro be banned for having a scene with naked children in a bathtub with their father, despite being in a completely innocent context?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:24 pm Reply with quote
Hannish Lightning wrote:
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How do I know that you are not a sentient carrot or broccoli ?

It's something you just know. A cat knows it's a cat, a dog knows it's a dog, and I know I am human. Also because I am not green, orange, and I taste nothing like broccoli or a carrot.

It's just something that we know eh? So just like that we know that a fictional drawing on paper is a fictional drawing and not some life form from a parallel dimension that only the Japanese can see apparently. Just like we all know you're a troll who is just here to post retarded crap with no real value or depth or intelligence. That being said you won't get another response from me as I try my best not to feed the animals.
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britannicamoore



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:45 pm Reply with quote
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If that was the case Handley wouldn't be a issue.


No, because stupid people exist everywhere. There was no reason for the Handley case to turn out the way it did and i'm disappointed he didn't fight.
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Katane



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:28 pm Reply with quote
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Katane wrote:


If that was the case Handley wouldn't be a issue.


No, because stupid people exist everywhere. There was no reason for the Handley case to turn out the way it did and i'm disappointed he didn't fight.


Fight?!!! Fight what? What could he had fought? By United States Federal Law the man was in possession of child porn, their was no way he was going to get around that no matter what he had said to the judge. I don't understand how people can defend this, no matter how you look at this Animated or not IT'S STILL CHILDREN!!!! You absolutely have to out of your goddamn mind to defend this sick and depraved shit. (Forgive my language ANN but it needed to be said and I stand by it)
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Drunk_Samurai



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:36 pm Reply with quote
Katane wrote:
britannicamoore wrote:
Katane wrote:


If that was the case Handley wouldn't be a issue.


No, because stupid people exist everywhere. There was no reason for the Handley case to turn out the way it did and i'm disappointed he didn't fight.


Fight?!!! Fight what? What could he had fought? By United States Federal Law the man was in possession of child porn, their was no way he was going to get around that no matter what he had said to the judge. I don't understand how people can defend this, no matter how you look at this Animated or not IT'S STILL CHILDREN!!!! You absolutely have to out of your goddamn mind to defend this sick and depraved shit. (Forgive my language ANN but it needed to be said and I stand by it)


If we are out of our "goddamn minds" then you are 100% ignorant. they are not children because they are not real. Therefore it cannot be child porn. You must be some idiotic 12 year old kid to even think it can be.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:48 pm Reply with quote
Well, this has run its course. Courtesy seems to have evaporated from this debate so it's thread-lock time.
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