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AnimeLordLuis
Joined: 27 Jan 2015
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 12:48 am
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Again with the censorship jeez when will these brain dead companies learn that when you pander to a ghost audience (who don’t support your games in the first place nor will they ever) your profits will take a nosedive and most importantly of all you will lose all of the loyal fans who have supported your games over the years.
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ximpalullaorg
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 1:39 am
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Another, perfect example of why dd platforms as they are now aren't safe. They are closed(steam can promote the openness as much as it wants but it's a lie) and can kill a developer if they want to.
Add the hysterical moralism of these days and we are set.
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SWAnimefan
Joined: 10 Oct 2014
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 3:15 am
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Like with many things on the internet, content will find a new home and resume business as usual.
But Steam's prosperity isn't going to last if it keeps subjecting itself to censoring. Just look at Youtube with their recent crackdowns. Even their creators are becoming frustrated as even simple words end up as violations.
This is why Freedom is important.
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HueyLion
Joined: 14 Feb 2014
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 3:45 am
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kinghumanity wrote: | I have adult games on steam with uncensored patch (don't judge me). Will they be taken down? |
Oh im totally judging
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Angel Investor
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:19 am
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And by "adult games" they don't mean titles where you can paint the walls with people's brains. Shooting characters in the face or dismembering them with a chainsaw is fine, but god help you if we see 3 seconds of female nipples. Remember, boobs are evil and human reproduction is wrong!
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Lemonchest
Joined: 18 Mar 2015
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:27 am
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I'd be curious to see if companies like sakuragamer & dieselmine have been getting notifications, since afaik it was when they & others started selling lots of cheap, very x-rated porn games that valve started making moves against sexual content. Vr kanojo probably didn't help, either, as that game got a lot of attention. I'd say they're Throwing out the baby with the bath water, but sexually explicit games are such a small niche within steam that I imagine valve don't think they're worth the trouble.
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Angel Investor
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:38 am
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John Hayabusa wrote: | Americans never cease to disappoint. |
Video game censorship is way worse in most other countries. Just look at countries like Germany and Australia. Even Japan has been known for toning down the violence in their own games such as Resident Evil and The Evil Within. Japan often censors stuff like dismemberment due to its association with the real life yakuza. I suggest you look up this YouTube channel called Censored Gaming. It really gives you perspective on how strict different countries are with controversial content. After watching most of their videos it is apparent that the US is on the more tolerant side of the objectionable content spectrum. They are more strict with sexual content than Japan, but other than that they really don't censor much compared to Asia and Europe.
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Jonny Mendes
Joined: 17 Oct 2014
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Location: Europe
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:40 am
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kotomikun wrote: |
They do for other types of adult content, i.e. violence. But Steam is an American company, so they're part of a culture that inexplicably considers naked people more offensive than graphic violence. It often gets categorized as "too adult for adults."
...I looked at the Steam store just now and the first thing it showed me was an ad for some horror game; the whole image was just the lower half of a woman's corpse. So apparently that's okay, but consensual sex has to be censored. This country is weird, man. |
Is another of those "Oh! America " moments.
Unfortunate American culture is become weirder by the day.
Back in the day most people look at Japan for weird things.
Nowadays America is the biggest source of weird and crazy things. In Europe we are always looking for to see what crazy and weird new things are coming out of American culture. I only hope Europe stay way from that, but unfortunate, in Europe some things are going the American way.
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Utsuro no Hako
Joined: 18 May 2012
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:17 am
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Chrono1000 wrote: | Feminists have spent years trying to normalize the idea of censorship in the video game industry and this is exactly what they wanted. |
Yes, of course, criticizing sexism in games and asking companies to do better is the exact same thing as censorship. And of course any feminists who don't fit your argument are dismissed as some Sooper Kunning Ploy to cover up the True Feminist Agenda which everyone agrees to when they take a women's studies course in college. And the fact that this is a right wing group ... well, let's ignore that entirely and go back to ranting about feminism.
Keep on keeping on, dude.
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BrainBlow
Joined: 22 Apr 2013
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:26 am
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Chrono1000 wrote: | The feminists are finally getting what they want as censorship becomes standard throughout the game industry. It is sad how spineless most tech companies are and how quick they are to betray their own customers. Of course the same argument about fanservice will soon be used to pressure anime streaming companies to censor anime. |
Oh bugger off with the anti-feminist propaganda BS.
As others here have pointed out in this thread, the ones claiming victory over this are right-wing groups.
But that doesn't quite fit your narrative, does it?
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meruru
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:40 am
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Thank you Utsuro no Hako and Brainblow.
Women make up half the population of the planet. It's such a shock that when they talk about issues that affect them, not all of them agree, and some of them might even have really crappy viewpoints. Clearly if some of them have crappy opinions it means all of them are wrong, and we should never, ever listen to them when they talk about issues that affect them.
Also, can we talk about gamers? As in, there's a whole lot of them that have crappy opinions, like the fact that Gamergate contributed to the start of the alt-right movement. Clearly we should just write off gamers as a group too. You play video games? Nope, not listening to you anymore either. No matter what your opinion is, it's clearly bad because you're a gamer, and I shouldn't listen to you.
Fwiw, as soon as I saw the headline, I was like, "Wtf, why would they do that?" And I'm definitely not even the type to play video games that have that type of content. I hope Steam changes that policy. Though I kind of doubt most people will honestly care enough to motivate them to change. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's all that many games that are getting affected by this, and many of those games are probably niche.
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Nitsugalego
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:58 am
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"The FEMINISTS did it!"
"The RIGHT WING did it!"
I even saw someone blaming GamerGate for this.
This is hilarious.
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Ojamajo LimePie
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 10:59 am
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Chester McCool wrote: | What's the difference? They're two sides of the same coin. Whether you ban sex/fanservice in the name of "purity" or "sexism" makes no difference. If anything, it seems hypocritical, like the only reason this is a bad move is because "our games were hit too!". The same people who were cheering whenever Japanese games get swimsuits or touching features removed in the western versions are now suddenly complaining when their sex games get nuked. The one thing both the left and the right can agree on is censoring video games, it seems. |
I'm a MangaGamer employee and worked on some of the titles involved. I'm also a feminist. Needless to say, this news does not have me cheering.
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Stuart Smith
Joined: 13 Jan 2013
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:03 am
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BrainBlow wrote: | Oh bugger off with the anti-feminist propaganda BS.
As others here have pointed out in this thread, the ones claiming victory over this are right-wing groups.
But that doesn't quite fit your narrative, does it? |
I'm confused, are you asserting that right-wing people can't be feminists? That sounds like the "no true Scotsman fallacy" like someone can only be a feminist if they subscribe to a certain criteria, in this case, I assume being left-wing?
The site that was linked states their creed is to speak out and inform people of violence against women in media, and it's affects on people who are exposed to it, which normalizes sexism, rape, and harassment against women. That is word-for-word the same rhetoric you see from prominent feminist and social justice voices on the internet who lean to the left. Them being conservatives change nothing.
meruru wrote: | Also, can we talk about gamers? As in, there's a whole lot of them that have crappy opinions, like the fact that Gamergate contributed to the start of the alt-right movement |
I really hope you are joking with this hyperbole. Or perhaps this is just a case where 'alt-right' is a buzzword that means 'people I don't like' and demonstrates how labels have gotten out of control. Regardless, your statement kind of just proved your point. Gamers are given a lot of flak by people and credited towards everything bad in the world.
-Stuart Smith
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
Joined: 03 Nov 2017
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:32 am
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The main point is that Steam has ALWAYS sucked.
They've always and constantly performed practices that purposefully drain a user's wallet dry, and this even goes beyond Gabe Newell and Half Life 3. They also go as far as ban user mod content, and considering their Direct developer payment platform, they are the scum of the earth as I can tell.
Considering how they're now doing this, I'm not surprised if they're doing this for a pure cash grab. Money makes the world go round, but it's another thing when you consider it something like water or food, or blood. I hope Steam bleeds out and something else takes over. Good riddance.
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