Forum - View topicNEWS: Wind Rises, Madoka Magica, Momo Submitted for Oscar Nominations
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CrowLia
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Can't believe this is seriously an argument; it must be the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. This demonization of smoking needs to stop. Not because smoking is good (I would know it, my father almost died from obstructed airways two years ago), but because this comes with a mentality of "children are brainless sponges and whatever you put in front of them they'll imitate"; for chrissake, give your own kids some credit. Sorry if parents can't be arsed to explain their children what they see in the movies, but condemning media as being unapt for children just because a character happens to smoke is beyond idiotic. Next we know, movies with people drinking Coke will be considered bad for children too. It's not like characters haven't smoked in Disney movies in the past, Roger from the Dalmatians movie is shown smoking all the time; and many characters in Alice in Wonderland smoke Society has become insanely paranoid about "protecting the children" (from god knows what). These new generations are becoming way too overprotected, what are all these neurotic parents going to do when the kid is out in the world and has to face all this "bad influences"? Seriously, what the hell. TL;DR: WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN |
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ikillchicken
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Interesting. I can't see Madoka standing a chance just being the third in a series of movies. The critics are just gonna be missing too much context there. But maybe one of the others. This isn't a very strong year. There aren't really any overwhelming standouts. A lot of decent, middle of the road movies mind you, which probably hurts Wind or Momo's chances of a nomination if they're merely also decent. But if they're especially well received they could certainly end up winning.
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Jose Cruz
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Better? That's a given. Any good anime film is superior to anything ever made in North America. You can see that the 15 domestic films submitted for the Oscars constitute the entire set of feature length animations made in the US in that year, most are complete thrash and one or two are decent. They shouldn't allow people to submit foreign films for the animated Oscar because the fact that they always lose points out to the malignant nature of such prize. Oh yeah, Madoka winning the best picture category (even though it's a cash grab sequel instead of the actual masterpiece) would be like a symphonic black metal album winning the Grammy's. It's not going to happen and the fact is that since any animated film released in the US in each year is nominated only means that the number of nominated films is an indication of the entire number of animated films released in theaters in the US in a given year (which is around 15-20 in each year, compared to 100 in Japan). |
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Jose Cruz
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Why you can't? It's not like animated films made in Japan ever get recognition outside of specific niche circles*. Also, his best movie is either Nausicaa or Totoro, Mononoke is 3rd place. 
*for instance, only about 2-3% of all anime films produced ever screen in the US and even film critics are still terribly ignorant of anime in general, much less the jury of Hollywood, composed of actors and other professionals who know less about watching movies than many film buffs. |
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Jose Cruz
Posts: 1779 Location: South America |
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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. |
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GATSU
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CrowLia: There are people in Japan who were put off by the chain-smoking! And there, it's a lot more casually tolerated in their culture. So there must be some serious tobacco porn in this flick.
The irony of Di$ney releasing Wind Rises uncut is that they've actually censored smoking in some of their own cartoons. Jose:
Anime does actually get recognized at the Japanese equivalent to the Oscars. |
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ikillchicken
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Well, it's nice of you to just basically admit your flagrant, almost comical, anti-American bias upfront instead of dancing around it.
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danilo07
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Look mom its the insane Japanese cultural elitist!Seriously you people just come off like some satirical portrayal of deluded western teenagers craving for their illusory Japan. |
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Ignatz
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Quick, everyone attack Jose Cruz for not loving American movies!
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vanfanel
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I've seen all three, and also wish "Wolf Children" was in there, because I really do think it's much better than any of the others being offered.
I doubt any of them will win, but the one I think has the best chance is Momo, though it was not to my taste personally. Those "adorable" yokai pretty much wrecked the movie for me; however, there are a lot of people who like that kind of thing in the USA. Also, from the technical standpoint, its animation is extremely good. I enjoyed looking at it move even when the story wasn't engaging me. "The Wind Rises" is watchable, but its problems are not limited to its controversial issues. I'll be surprised if it doesn't get a nomination, but I don't see it winning unless it's due to "farewell Miyazaki" votes. (And if that happens, I hope he unretires again, moons the Academy, and laughs his head off.) "Madoka Magica" is most certainly not friendly to newbies, no matter what the studio is saying. It's definitely pretty, but non-anime fans who haven't at least been exposed to Sailor Moon will have no touchtone for even what kind of movie this is. I wonder if "Kaguya Hime" might be able to make it through the gate in time; it opens this month. Isao Takahata is every bit as good a director as Hayao Miyazaki, and deserves the recognition just as much. Obviously, we don't know yet if it's any good or not, but Takahata has an amazing track record, and the trailers for this look incredible. |
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GATSU
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van: Kaguya Hime would most likely be submitted for Oscar consideration next year.
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CrownKlown
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Okay lets be serious here, Madoka would have no chance in any format, any film, etc. Even if they made a standalone film that managed summarize everything in the plot of the show perfectly, PMMM just isnt oscar materiel by any stretch. At its best is an overhyped mess at its worse its just not very good.
About the only show that gets more or as much praise with out offering anything is the Nanoha series. |
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Leebo
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I want more negativity in this topic, please!
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TarsTarkas
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You could squeeze an ocean of negativity from all these posts. Create our own Negative Zone, even. Never said Madoka Magica had a great chance, or even a good chance. All that matters is it has a chance, stranger things have happened at the Oscars. All the naysayers may be right, but we won't know until Oscar night. |
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Agent355
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We'll know on Jan 16, which is when the nominations are announced. If Madoka isn't nominated, it's not gonna win.
Reading the Wind Rises article reminded me that Disney didn't release Grave of the Fireflies, despite their Ghibli deal. Imagine the controversy if they had tried to submit that film for an Oscar! (Yeah, I know there was no Animated Feature catagory back then; it's just an amusing thought exercise  )
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