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BadNewsBlues
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The existence of the Gundams and even their pilot's identities were supposed to be a secret to anyone outside of the Colonies hence the whole "Relena has to killed thing that cropped up a few times in the first part of the series". Was it overkill? Maybe but it wasn't without it's reasons.
Even if she was forced into joining them and also of the mind of changing them from within that doesn't exactly erase all the bad things Oz had did up to that point which included murdering her adopted father and killing the more pacifist leaders of the Alliance.
By my count it was only 4 attempts and in at least two of those 4 she was willing to let Heero kill her who backed off in both those attempts.
Can't disagree with practically any of those quibbles the 2nd half of Gundam Wing was really weird for almost everyone involved. |
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zrnzle500
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None of the Gundam pilots stuck out to me as very relatable, but if I had to pick the one I found most relatable, it would probably Setsuna, as he is introverted and a man of few words like myself (though not online admittedly). I do have some affinity with Amuro and Kamille being fellow engineers but otherwise not really. Mikazuki is probably most unrelatable to me, not because of his seeming emotionlessness (see Setsuna) but rather his lack of hesitation to kill whoever Orga says to. Scary.
On the matter of Coordinators, I think her referring to it as the SEED equivalent of Newtypes is reasonable enough. However, if you want to get pedantic (and I do), the best analogue in UC to Coordinators is Cyber Newtypes, as both are artificially created. As to Kira, I've always preferred his twin sister Cagalli, but that has naught to do with relatability ![]() I'm willing to be a bit more lenient than the meme that residentgrigo posted earlier when it comes to people calling themselves fans of the franchise. If you can name one other Gundam series than Seed, 00 and Wing, we're square. Though if you can't get that gimme, I have to doubt your deductive abilities. Nevermind that naming other Gundam series is trivially easy with an internet connection. Btw that Kamille one underneath it was great ![]() While I understand it, I could do without prodigies being so flippantly written off as unrelatable. Of course, they aren't relatable to most people, but that doesn't mean there aren't people who find them even a little relatable. Not saying I'm a genius or a prodigy or anything (there were enough people smarter than me in high school, college, and in general that I can't call myself that with a straight face) but I have found some, not all, relatable to some degree. Now if you add in great at sports and with the opposite sex, well yeah you do start to lose me there. No one's that perfect, I hope. Last edited by zrnzle500 on Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:47 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kikaioh
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I just wanted to respond that I agree about Domon and Kamille. Kamille's character in particular is why I never finished Zeta Gundam, because he wasn't just annoying, but his motivations sometimes seemed confused/baffling. And Domon is just awesome, really encapsulating a sort of Go Nagai badass spirit but filtered through 90's charming sensibilities. G Gundam also introduced the coolest female protagonist with Allenby (just sayin'!)
As for Heero, I thought his character was hilariously awesome. In the first episode, when faced with Releena's teenage pretension, his reaction to outright reject her extended olive branch and then threaten to kill her, that was campy gold. It's just too bad the plot kind of lost steam/direction halfway through. |
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penguintruth
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I never said I was a fan, just that he's relatable. Relatability doesn't necessarily equate to whether a character is interesting or not. Domon Kasshu is a nigh-superpowered martial artist. He's an interesting character, too. But is he relatable? Of course not. I can't relate to a guy that strong. Maybe his goals are relatable to some extent, but is he a relatable person overall? No. I loathe Kou Uraki for being a huge loser, but he's imminently relatable, because I fail at a lot of things too (I just don't want to watch a show about a failure unless it's framed a certain way). He's relatable, but he's a terrible character I have no interest in. Kira Yamato is both extremely unrelatable because he's a blank slate and a super-ultra-mega-modified human being and deity-like figure AND he's totally boring and has no flavor to him. This wasn't a list about LIKABLE Gundam characters. It wasn't a list of BEST Gundam characters. It said "most relatable". I relate (at least nominally) to just ordinary people. But that doesn't mean I like them. |
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KML777
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Has Ms. Orsini ever done a list of likable/unlikable Gundam Love Interests yet?
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dark13
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zrnzle500
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^Don't confuse not understanding he's supposed to be unrelatable and finding him unrelatable. Certainly, that doesn't make him a bad character, something I never said. But people finding him unrelatable when he is meant to be unrelatable seems like mission accomplished. How sad that we had the intended response. Personally I think finding a character unrelatable a valid reason to call them unrelatable.
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Merxamers
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I've only seen the original Gundam compilation movies and the Turn A series, unfortunately, so i don't know much about whatever SEED is
![]() I find Amuro to be pretty relatable; people honestly complain about him? He's a friggin teenager forced to be a soldier! He holds up better than i would, honestly. As much as I like him, unlike other people here I have difficulty relating to Loran. One of the things I like about Turn A Gundam is how hard it commits to its theme of pacifism, but that means Loran is basically space-Gandhi. His attitude, while coming from a well written character and story, is a bit too simplistic for me to relate to. That, and spoiler[his giving up everything to be the incognito moon queen's servant at the end] didn't sit right with me. |
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stowrag
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To be honest, I expected to disagree with this list the moment I read the article title. And I did!
Putting aside all the other changes I'd make, I'd like to see Domon swapped for Loran. Just thought I'd put that out there. |
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dark13
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https://youtu.be/ZuMNZZmImeA?t=117 |
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zrnzle500
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^Well from the way you phrased it, it seemed like you were condemning everyone who found him unrelatable. I seemed to have honed in on your true concern nonetheless. Certainly one shouldn't automatically equate unrelatable and bad, but not all of those who have called him unrelatable here said he was a bad character. And those who thought he was a bad character didn't do so because he was unrelatable. They thought he was bad for the same reason they found him unrelatable, i.e. he is a unhesitating killing machine (Feel free to correct me if I am incorrect in my assumption, those it may concern).
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dark13
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Ziko577
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I can tell you what's wrong with Augus. He's essentially an emotionally damaged young boy who really can ruin anyone's day at the drop of a hat. In battle, he carries that to dangerous extremes to the point when he fought Carta's army on the way to the capital, he thought very little about slaughtering her and her soldiers and even when she was pretty much wounded and couldn't battle anymore, he continued to go after her. Granted, there's moments of clarity here and there when he shared a kiss with Kudelia and even giving her a shoulder to cry on when Fumitan died but that's rare with him. Who knows what more we could see of him when Season 2 begins? For right now, definitely not a good character to relate to. |
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Ziko577
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Coordinators are just humans with genetic modifications and most are grown in test tubes. SEED factor is the term in that universe for Newtypes. |
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AiddonValentine
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Man, that would be a list miles long. I don't know why, but Gundam has had a TERRIBLE track record when it comes to women. They tend to be helpless, naive, manipulative, childish, or harpies when they aren't relegated to the background. There are some exceptions like Rain and Allenby in G-Gundam, Ennil in Gundam X, and Aina in 08th MS Team. IBO is also being a lot more even-handed with women by giving them a more active role. As for protagonists, I can't really argue with the top list, even if Sei is sort of a winner by default due to his unique position among Gundam protagonists. It's a tough call for me to pick a favorite between Domon, Shiro, and Garrod as they bring unique traits to the table. Though I will have to say Garrod is definitely the dark horse due to not having any special training military or otherwise, no special talents (he makes an offhand remark about having picked up his father's knack for mechanics, but that's never brought up again), and certainly doesn't have Newtype powers. All he's got is guts, hard work, and a whole lotta moxie. As well the Jamil-patented frozen lake test. Next up I recommend Top Five Antagonists and Top Five Mentors. |
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