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NEWS: Game Publishers: Valve Issues Warning to Remove Adult Content From Steam

BrainBlow wrote:

Oh bugger off with the anti-feminist propaganda BS. As others here have pointed out in this thread, the ones claiming victory over this are right-wing groups. But that doesn't quite fit your narrative, does it?

I'm confused, are you asserting that right-wing people can't be feminists? That sounds like the "no true Scotsman fallacy" like someone can only be a feminist if they subscribe to a certain criteria, in this case, I assume being left-wing?

The site that was linked states their creed is to speak out and inform people of violence against women in media, and it's affects on people who are exposed to it, which normalizes sexism, rape, and harassment against women. That is word-for-word the same rhetoric you see from prominent feminist and social justice voices on the internet who lean to the left. Them being conservatives change nothing.

meruru wrote:

Also, can we talk about gamers? As in, there's a whole lot of them that have crappy opinions, like the fact that Gamergate contributed to the start of the alt-right movement

I really hope you are joking with this hyperbole. Or perhaps this is just a case where 'alt-right' is a buzzword that means 'people I don't like' and demonstrates how labels have gotten out of control. Regardless, your statement kind of just proved your point. Gamers are given a lot of flak by people and credited towards everything bad in the world.

-Stuart Smith

I'm confused, are you asserting that right-wing people can't be feminists? That sounds like the "no true Scotsman fallacy" like someone can only be a feminist if they subscribe to a certain criteria, in this case, I assume being left-wing?

The site that was linked states their creed is to speak out and inform people of violence against women in media, and it's affects on people who are exposed to it, which normalizes sexism, rape, and harassment against women. That is word-for-word the same rhetoric you see from prominent feminist and social justice voices on the internet who lean to the left. Them being conservatives change nothing.

The no true Scotsman argument is only fallacious when denying the Scottishness of somebody from Scotland. It's a legitimate argument when somebody holds up Ahmed from Pakistan as an example of Scottishness. There are a wide array of views represented in feminism, some of them to the right of center, but outright social conservatism is antithetical to the movement.

If this is the case, Steam should get rid of the Witcher game series. It has mature sexual contents of nude women.

I don't think this is exactly the time be blaming feminist for these games removal (especially since plenty of them are as outraged about these games threatened removal as commentators here) - if there is anyone you should be laying blame onto it should be NCOSE.

https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/victory-steam-remove-sexually-explicit-violent-videogames-platform/

The first game, Origins, was the most explicit of the three with the sexual content considerably toned-down in the most recent installment, Inquisition. I just recently romanced Josephine in that game and got a kiss on the balcony as my reward, though I recall ending up in bed with a topless Cassandra in another play-through. Origins had scenes of simulated sex, but Inquisition shows only the aftermath.

But I guess satire is dead. Because my entire point is that given a group of big enough people, there will be someone who has a crappy opinion, but it's stupid to write off anyone you even suspect of belonging to that group because some people in that group are terrible. And it's extra ridiculous for gamers to do this, because they only need look at their own group to see how the same bad logic has been applied to negatively affect them.

Yes, of course, criticizing sexism in games and asking companies to do better is the exact same thing as censorship.

And the fact that this is a right wing group ... well, let's ignore that entirely and go back to ranting about feminism.

Most people who complain about fan service don't actually want to ban it, nor were their hordes of feminists demanded western releases of US games get censored. People can be upset with certain depictions of sexuality they feel isn't tasteful yet still enjoy other depictions.

The group is anti-sex and anti-erotica, two things you don't see from feminists

I can link you to various progressives who gleefully celebrate and beg localizes to "fix" "problematic games".

Sure, go ahead. I'd be interested in seeing that discussion.

I'm finding holes in your logic. As an anime fan, I've been around jerkass gatekeepers and "true anime fan" idiots a lot of the time.... So you're practically saying such acts of discriminatory and exclusionary persecution are totally different intrinsically?

Anita Sarkeesian and other feminists that have demonized sexual content in games due to the male gaze and objectification were going down the road of censorship. They were laying the bricks down one at a time to create an environment that would convince companies to not support such games. Valve merely did what feminists were asking though the victim narrative that is used to rationalize censorship does't work as well with Steam.

Feminists know this isn't making them look good to the average gamer so they are blaming NCOSE which is a single anti-pornography organization. This is deflection and I find it amusing since there is no chance that Valve cares about the opinion of NCOSE.

Here's one of the more infamous ones.

https://twitter.com/CensoredGaming_/status/670180252417695744