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Shiflan
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:39 pm
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Utsuro no Hako wrote: |
It's easy to say Goblin Slayer should be behind some kind of content filter, but if that happens don't be surprised if Bloom Into You, Citrus and Yuri Kuma Arashi gets the same treatment. The bigots already tried to get LGBT visual novels banned by Steam, and nearly succeeded but for the public outcry. |
That's a very good point. It's the same basic idea we talked about in an earlier discussion regarding the news article about My Lesbian Loneliness manga being protested against by a group of ministers.
If we want to ban or otherwise restrict things that offend us, we soon find that things which we want to read/watch/etc are banned by others who find those things offensive.
If you don't like it, stop watching it and leave everyone else alone. Simple as that.
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Ashen Phoenix
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:41 pm
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I'm personally not a fan of Goblin Slayer because of its emphasis on fetishized "torture porn" abuse of women, and unoriginal story outside of edgelord shock value.
That said, I believe this specific type of content warning is good. As another commenter pointed out, Adult Swim has long had a similar practice and it has never shied away from mature, gritty, or controversial content as a result.
I am a vehement opponent of bigoted censorship, and I do not believe this is a case of that.
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sgtevmckay
Joined: 11 Sep 2018
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:48 pm
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All other things aside, I must admit that I am grateful to Crunchyroll for handling this in a way that is conscientious to the unprepared watcher but also allowing this content to be presented to the public in its Authors and Illustrators wished it to be presented (Uncut and without censorship)
A notice for the public that is not controlled by the U.S. MPAA Film Rating System.
A simple notice of some scenes may be offensive to some viewers is appropriate.
As I am an advocate for SELF-censoring (if you don't like it stop watching or change the channel yourself), I find a simple notification, not necessarily a warning can be appropriate.
Additionally; Potential viewers can do their homework and find out f this is something they are willing to watch. People need to take responsibility for themselves.
I am very grateful that Crunchyrolls did not in anyway deviate or modified the Animation (Beyond Sub and Dub needs) and presented the animation as was intended by the Author and illustrators.
This should appeal to the Purest watcher that wants the content as it should be and those that feel they should be advised of the content in advance.
So many times we get content sent out censored or edited for a broader viewership (Highschool DxD, Tokyo Ghoul, Attack on Titan, etc) and viewers like myself are left waiting for ages for a DvD/Blu-Ray to be released (if ever) in order to view the content as intended. Which additionally hurts while others are talking about the episodes and I am not watching, as I am waiting to catch the Animation in its intended form. Some of my friends are tired of me telling them to "Not spoil it for me"
Well done Crunchyroll...you have my thanks
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TheOtakuX
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:03 pm
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Aquasakura wrote: |
TheOtakuX wrote: |
I am very much against adding warnings. They're annoying to normal people, and they let other people hide rather than watch entertaining shows.
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Concerning being annoying to "normal" people, I would ask how so? From my experience warnings are either mention before a show/film starts or if we are using ratings appear on the left side of a screen for a few seconds before disappearing. The only way I can see this being annoying is if they were to plaster the warning in front view of the screen as the show/film is starting resulting in blocking the view. It's much like what I have been going through with watching the latest anime of the season on Amazon video (though in that case they are just posting a warning about stealing the video and stuff like that). However I have yet to have seen warnings and ratings being display this way. If you have you can let me know. |
I know they covered the entire screen with a warning for Happy Sugar Life. If there was dialog at the start they'd wait for a scene of silence, but it would still cover the entire screen
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teferi
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:06 pm
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Quote: | It's easy to say Goblin Slayer should be behind some kind of content filter, but if that happens don't be surprised if Bloom Into You, Citrus and Yuri Kuma Arashi gets the same treatment. The bigots already tried to get LGBT visual novels banned by Steam, and nearly succeeded but for the public outcry. |
Seriously? If you don't need a content filter like that don't use it. There isn't a problem with parents being uncomfortable with letting their younger children watch cartoons with teenagers getting frisky with each other. Citrus in particular has some problematic themes and behavior that are just as inappropriate as Goblin Slayer. Also, CR/Sentai/Funi aren't the kind of companies that would discriminate between content on the basis you're implying they would.
sgtevmckay wrote: | So many times we get content sent out censored or edited for a broader viewership (Highschool DxD, Tokyo Ghoul, Attack on Titan, etc) and viewers like myself are left waiting for ages for a DvD/Blu-Ray to be released (if ever) in order to view the content as intended. Which additionally hurts while others are talking about the episodes and I am not watching, as I am waiting to catch the Animation in its intended form. Some of my friends are tired of me telling them to "Not spoil it for me" |
About all they could've spoiled in Highschool DxD is what the nipples looked like ...
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Hellsoldier
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:19 pm
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TheOtakuX wrote: |
Aquasakura wrote: |
TheOtakuX wrote: |
I am very much against adding warnings. They're annoying to normal people, and they let other people hide rather than watch entertaining shows.
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Concerning being annoying to "normal" people, I would ask how so? From my experience warnings are either mention before a show/film starts or if we are using ratings appear on the left side of a screen for a few seconds before disappearing. The only way I can see this being annoying is if they were to plaster the warning in front view of the screen as the show/film is starting resulting in blocking the view. It's much like what I have been going through with watching the latest anime of the season on Amazon video (though in that case they are just posting a warning about stealing the video and stuff like that). However I have yet to have seen warnings and ratings being display this way. If you have you can let me know. |
I know they covered the entire screen with a warning for Happy Sugar Life. If there was dialog at the start they'd wait for a scene of silence, but it would still cover the entire screen |
Look, rape victims also watch anime. And guess what; rape scenes trigger PTSD.
I am against censorship based on violence and sexuality. Berserk (1997) is one of my all-time favorite anime. But content warnings are needed, Not having them because they ''annoy'' you is selfishness.
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encrypted12345
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:28 pm
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Felicity dash wrote: |
I guess it depends on the parents and them to stress that rape is wrong to do in real life. I mean I was 11 and I still was unable to read Blame! because of violence. Even though I understood what violence was. I wasn’t even able to watch pg-13 stuff until I was 15 and adult stuff until I was 19 |
Yeah, ultimately, the ratings are a guideline, and it's up to the parents or guardians to make the final call. I watched School Days when I was 12, and that's way worse than Goblin Slayer when it comes to sex IMO.
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whiskeyii
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:37 pm
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Hellsoldier wrote: |
Look, rape victims also watch anime. And guess what; rape scenes trigger PTSD.
I am against censorship based on violence and sexuality. Berserk (1997) is one of my all-time favorite anime. But content warnings are needed, Not having them because they ''annoy'' you is selfishness. |
Yeah, even MGS V had the class to add "sexual violence" to its content warnings, and notices like that can only be good for everybody involved. The people who aren't bothered by rape can continue on with a shrug, people on the fence can decide if they still want to watch or not, and the hard-nos can just put that show in a neat little NOPE box and continue merrily on their way (or look up the timecodes and skip it if they want to watch all the other stuff).
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CatSword
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:45 pm
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Crunchyroll needs some kind of age rating or content warning system for all of their anime.
Before this incident, 95% of their catalog was listed as “TV-PG” on VRV, including Goblin Slayer. After this incident, they changed their default rating to TV-14, which means that Bananya and Goblin Slayer now share the same rating on VRV. Not a fix.
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Kokuryu Daimao
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:02 pm
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Wow, this thread is an interesting tangent off the original post.
I'm amazed that people are even having a Moralistic argument over this, when all this rating and disclaimer is nothing more than companies trying to avoid liable issues.
The only reason to put any type of warning label on media is to avoid frivolous lawsuits from people trying to work the legal system to extort money under the guise of "emotional distress".
So there is really no big issue with Crunchyroll adding content warning. People can still watch what they want, and if they don't like it they can just turn it off or watch something else.
I'd rather Crunchyroll put their time, money and resources into bringing a better anime viewing experience to others than to waste time in some legal dispute because some greedy SOB is playing the "my child was 'traumatized' by your show, so you owe me 10 million dollars" bullcrap
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TheOtakuX
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:15 pm
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Kokuryu Daimao wrote: | Wow, this thread is an interesting tangent off the original post.
I'm amazed that people are even having a Moralistic argument over this, when all this rating and disclaimer is nothing more than companies trying to avoid liable issues.
The only reason to put any type of warning label on media is to avoid frivolous lawsuits from people trying to work the legal system to extort money under the guise of "emotional distress".
So there is really no big issue with Crunchyroll adding content warning. People can still watch what they want, and if they don't like it they can just turn it off or watch something else.
I'd rather Crunchyroll put their time, money and resources into bringing a better anime viewing experience to others than to waste time in some legal dispute because some greedy SOB is playing the "my child was 'traumatized' by your show, so you owe me 10 million dollars" bullcrap |
I partially agree with that, but mostly because I don't think people should be able to sue over that kinda stuff. At least not without themselves being fined for wasting peoples' time.
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Shiflan
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:17 pm
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CatSword wrote: | Crunchyroll needs some kind of age rating or content warning system for all of their anime.
Before this incident, 95% of their catalog was listed as “TV-PG” on VRV, including Goblin Slayer. After this incident, they changed their default rating to TV-14, which means that Bananya and Goblin Slayer now share the same rating on VRV. Not a fix. |
The proble with age ratings is two-fold:
1) nobody can agree on exactly what sort of content is appropriate for what age. For example, western standards tend to allow quite a lot of violence but the moment there is nudity the show is suddenly slapped with an R rating. I think that's rather ridiculous.
2) no two people are the same. There are 14-year-olds who would have no problem handling sex or violence in a program. And on the flipside of the coin there are adults who cannot.
We could ask everyone in this thread to rate some sample shows and I doubt we'd agree on anything other than the most extreme examples.
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whiskeyii
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:23 pm
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Only rape victims are qualified to decide for themselves what "makes things worse for them". And they can only do so if they can make an informed decision, which a content warning would provide. A surprise rape scene isn't some kind of exposure therapy (which is performed by a professional in a safe, controlled environment); you can't just shock or desensitize people into wellness.
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:31 pm
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Removing this since I didn't like writing it in the first place and it doesn't make sense given the deleted posts.
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teferi
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:04 pm
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CatSword wrote: | Crunchyroll needs some kind of age rating or content warning system for all of their anime.
Before this incident, 95% of their catalog was listed as “TV-PG” on VRV, including Goblin Slayer. After this incident, they changed their default rating to TV-14, which means that Bananya and Goblin Slayer now share the same rating on VRV. Not a fix. |
Clearly too lewd for TV-PG.
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