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MyMasterMatthew
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I'm bummed about this as well. I'd be curious to hear how it polled, if that's information we're allowed to ask for. Was it even a contender? |
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flamemasterelan
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That's...that's because I was trying to simplify things so that people wouldn't have to scroll through six paragraphs to see a one sentence reply. What you quoted wasn't necessary to the context, it doesn't change the way your statement is read at all.
I feel like you're not good with context clues. If Rurouni Kenshin hasn't appeared in the poll, or the preview guide, if the only times it's mentioned is alongside a discussion from the staff about its creator, then the statement ANN is sending is pretty explicit. They are not "separating art from the artist," and don't want to promote the work. |
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Saeryen
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Thank you! And if you are interested in shoujo magical girl shows at all I would highly recommend the entire franchise. |
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Meexa
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JJK anime fans, enjoy season 2.
JJK manga fans, we can survive this next 2 weeks, stay strong lol. |
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kgw
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I am glad JJK2 and Head-in-a-cage got reviews. Not a great season anyway.
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TarsTarkas
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@MyMasterMatthew
Your not going to find any succor here in the pages of ANN. That said, if you really like the anime go out and buy the BD and merch now before they go out of stock or are removed from sale. Don't wait. And not everyone is the same on ANN, some of us can separate the artist/author from their work. The criminal justice system will punish the offenders for us, and I don't feel the need to jump on the bandwagon of the angry villagers with pitchforks and torches. Don't get me wrong, I understand the villagers anger and need to punish. I always love a good revenge story. But I see their thing as a personal choice, but not one that is actually going to do any actual punishing. Take solace in the fact, that what comes around goes around. Next time it will be someone else's favorite series or franchise on the chopping block. Maybe Naruto, Bleach, Attack on Titan, or even, god forbid, Madoka Magica. (Hell will freeze over before I stop watching Madoka Magica.) And you will get to hear their arguments and lamentations, cause they are just as human as you are. |
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ATastySub
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Well thank you almighty lord of the forums to give your blessed wisdom on the “villagers.” I get you love playing up the crusty old man thing but it’s been pretty well established that everyone that works for the site is perfectly able to separate art and artist and do so regularly. You not understanding what that actually means despite your years is a condemnation of yourself not of anyone else on the site or forums. As for the “next time it’ll be something you like!” ghost story/slippery slope bullshit, this was a thing a lot of people that dropped it liked. They’re not doing it simply because it’s something they don’t. It’s why they feel so strongly that they did. The same way they’ve had to for other things in the past and will be able to do for other things in the future, because part of being an empathetic human being is knowing that these things are not your identity, and that other people come before entertainment. Being proud that you care more about your toys than anything else in the world isn’t something I’d particularly find brag-worthy, but feel free to continue doing so as you always have. |
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TarsTarkas
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I said I understood why and that it was their personal choice. But ANN is not a hivemind, and not all of us agree. Just like you don't agree with my choice. And listening to some of the responses in this thread it did seem like some people were angry and didn't like the original posters questions.
I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me. Lets leave it at that. |
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flamemasterelan
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Hi there, hello. Just a few things. Rurouni Kenshin was my favorite anime. Of all time. It was the only series I actually collected that was more than 6 VHS tapes. Because, yes, I bought it on VHS, at about $24 per tape with each paycheck of my first job. I spent hundreds of dollars supporting this series, and was happy to do so. Hell, I even got my mom into the show and it's one of the only anime she ever watched with me. And then I learned, a couple decades later, that the money I spent helped to buy child pornography. It still hurts me to this day to just see Kenshin and remember how important that series was to me in my youth.
You can separate the art from the artist, sure. But you're still putting money in that artist's pocket when you consume or, as you literally suggest, buy that art and merchandise based off of it. Money that's going for more child porn, I'm sure. We don't have a problem separating art from the artist, we have a problem where we recognize that we are a link in the chain that leads to children being sexually abused and exploited. So we uncouple from that chain. Also, the "criminal justice system" decided his punishment was less than the total amount he spent on those DVDs. They essentially charged him a sales tax. That's not punishment, that's just powerful people patting themselves on the back. And then he went back to his job writing stories in a magazine intended for adolescents within a year. In short: get off your soap box and stop strawmaning your opponents. Last edited by flamemasterelan on Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Shay Guy
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An entertainment website quietly deciding not to cover a TV show is not even remotely comparable to a lynching. |
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MyMasterMatthew
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Wait, what? You've either tagged the wrong person or misread my comment(s). I've never been interested in Rurouni Kenshin, and I tried my best to be clear about that. I did ask for clarification on a few things, but that was merely out of curiosity. The author is guilty of something absolutely heinous, but even if we took that out of the equation, he was never gonna get my money or support. Plus, if I'm being totally honest, merch isn't really my thing. I brought up my disappointment with The Duke of Death and His Maid not making the cutoff for weekly reviews this season, but my comment didn't mention the series by name. Perhaps you thought I was referring to Rurouni Kenshin? Or maybe you saw the back-and-forth I had with flamemasterelan, as we did talk about Rurouni Kenshin. I was told that I'm not good with context clues (which is probably true) because I failed to notice things that weren't relevant to me. We were talking in circles, so I decided the conversation wasn't worth pursuing any further. It wasn't a matter of the ANN staff or the ANN community failing to give me succor, and I certainly won't find solace in someone else's misfortune. That's not to say I'm incapable of schadenfreude, but reveling in the hypothetical news that another famous series is "on the chopping block" seems petty. On the one hand, I appreciate that you were willing to defend me, albeit under the erroneous conclusion that I'm a Rurouni Kenshin fan who was being bullied for speaking out. On the other hand, some of what you said seems a bit harsh and unwarranted. As you yourself mentioned, some of the comments on this thread seem angry, so I'm not sure that feeding the fire is wise. |
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Vanadise
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For the record: I am (was) an absolutely massive Kenshin fan. I've bought every DVD that has been released in English. I owned the entire manga series in English and Japanese. I've cosplayed as Kenshin characters, I had shelves of Kenshin figures, and I had Kenshin art prints framed and hanging on my walls. I'm the kind of guy who would've fought everybody in this thread to claim the title of #1 Kenshin Fan. All of that has either been trashed or donated to libraries, and I'd do that again for anything else I'm a fan of that ends up is directly financially contributing to the distribution of CSAM. It's not about some delusion of "punishing" the author; I know I'll never be able to do that. It's because my personal gratification through the consumption of fictional material is absolutely not worth knowingly contributing to the abuse of real children, period. There is an endless amount of entertainment out there to consume, and I choose to spend my time and money on things that were, as far as I know, not created by monsters. Are some of them, in fact, created by monsters? Sure, probably. I will also drop them when I find out. My nostalgia is not sacred. Yours shouldn't be, either. It's almost as infuriating to see people so badly abuse the phrase "separate the art from the artist." That phrase is meant to describe how you can analyze a work of art separately from the author's personal beliefs. It is not a "get out of jail free" card; as long as the author is alive, owns the copyright on his work, and makes money off of it, you cannot sever the link between them. All you're doing is covering your eyes and declaring that it doesn't matter to you so that you can justify funneling money to a known predator so you can watch a funny samurai man for 23 minutes per week. |
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NeverConvex
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I've been avoiding commenting on this because [A] people are understandably irate and (also understandably, given the arguments often made by people here in defense of RK) quick to jump to conclusions about peoples' motivations regarding it and [B] I had hoped the conversation would just fizzle out to avoid giving the show more attention. For what it's worth, though, I don't think ANN has stated any kind of explicit stance. That said, basically every ANN staffer who has stated a view in the forums has been understandably critical of people supporting RK/Watsuki, and it didn't get a preview guide entry; if it also didn't get a reviews poll entry, that does seem like pretty strong evidence that they're not interested in covering it (which I am personally thankful for). The only real, recent counterexample is the brief entry they had basically commenting on the premiere's showing at a 'con (I think) outside of the preview guides in one of their SMS-style articles, observing that they felt it was underwhelming.
Oh, I didn't even notice this didn't make the reviews! That's a huge bummer; I only just got into watching it, binging straight from season 1. Charming little series. |
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flamemasterelan
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Yeah, as you've said, it's far too common for people to either act obtuse (accuse people of only caring about the CP because they hated Kenshin) or downplay Watsuki's involvement ("he only bought the dvds, he didn't direct them" was literally a defense used in another thread), not to mention people who come into each thread trying to convince other people that it's okay to watch the show("Oh, Watsuki was already paid for this, so it doesn't really matter"). As a result, it's hard to determine who's asking innocent questions, or who's being willfully obtuse. So if I came on too harsh, Matthew, I apologize. |
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gumbaloom
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Just out of curiosity is there actually an editorial statement anywhere about this whole debacle ?
EG "We are decidding not to cover this show because of X". It's ANN's editorial right and perogative to choose to not cvover something but I don't remember seeing any mention in the - the preview guide - The poll - The poll results (Note if there is someting and I've missed it I do apologise...) Even just a note linking in the above 3 linking to a article - "If you're wondering why you can't see X - click here" linking to an editorial statement as to why its not covered. Or was the deliberate non coverage intentional ? (Dare I ask was there pressure from Japan to not not make any negative statements about it ?) It makes not the blindest bit of difference to me if this show is covered or not - never saw the original so couldn't care less. I'm just commenting about editorial transparrency. If you're making an editorial choice to not cover something then be up front about it and explain the reasons instead of conspicous absence... |
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