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REVIEW: Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei Herz!

And I can say you're vastly underestimating the size of these communities. No progress made between us here.

I understand it's a niche, but it's rather significant in certain circles. Evidently you take the opposite stance.

I think reviewers should recognize when something has quality content--even if they know that content isn't aimed at them. So they can disagree with it, or not watch/read it, but when they're chosen or picked to review something, I'd like them to give readers a fair view on subjective subjects.

I'm not rewording what I said because I meant every word of it. If you like the series for its other merits, fine whatever. But you need to realize it has other elements that don't have to appeal only to your tastes.

It's not fair to the people that like it to have subjective reviews try acting like the loli element is the worse thing ever and is a negative when to plenty of people it's a positive.

I can't wait to Fate/Kaleid liner Prisma Illya 3rei!! where spoiler[Emiya Shirou] will have a bigger part.

Those who enjoy loli fan service are very definitely a corner of fandom - I'm well aware of their presence - but only a corner.

Let me be clear about this: This season did not get the grade it did just because of my dislike for the loli fan service; in fact, that wasn't a factor in me assigning the grades at all. I mentioned it as a negative because, hey, that's they way I see it. You're welcome to disagree, but I'm the one writing the review and the +/- aspect is where my opinion on the content is going to show up the most.

I gave the series the grade it did because, honestly, I did not feel the qualitative aspects, especially in the storytelling, were up to snuff. Even if you did enjoy the SOL content, would you disagree that this is, by a significant margin, the weakest of the three seasons so far?

I in no way made any overt or implicit derogatory comments about people who enjoy such content (which I know has occasionally been an issue in the past with ANN reviews/previews), and I'm not going to go around qualifying every negative comment I make with an "unless you're into that sort of thing" statement. That should always be implicit.

Oh, and let me reiterate my appreciation to both of you about keeping this civil. From a Moderator's POV, way too often these discussions derail in ugly directions.

Jonny Mendes wrote:

I can't wait to Fate/Kaleid liner Prisma Illya 3rei!! where spoiler[Emiya Shirou] will have a bigger part.

Everyone wants this.

Everyone.

This is not necessarily true. I remember seeing a poll on a big visual novel message board a few years back where the users were being asked what their 2D fetish is. About 30% of the answers said 'lolis'. That's a pretty significant portion if you ask me.

Angel Investor wrote:

This is not necessarily true. I remember seeing a poll on a big visual novel message board a few years back where the users were being asked what their 2D fetish is. About 30% of the answers said 'lolis'. That's a pretty significant portion if you ask me.

I am not surprised at this kind of comment, since even ANN has a "The Best and Worst of the Season So Far". That 30% (or the data in the ANN article) has no statistical relevancy, it boils down to "The readers of said said website that gave an answer think that ...". There is a reason why Gallup or the like are well respected for the surveys they do, you can't simply ask people left and right and expect to get valid statistical data.

It was a message board specifically dedicated for discussions between avid visual novel fans. This isn't asking people left and right, it's asking the actual community who are fans of the 2D ero/moe culture.

Angel Investor wrote:

It was a message board specifically dedicated for discussions between avid visual novel fans. This isn't asking people left and right, it's asking the actual community who are fans of the 2D ero/moe culture.

That's part of the problem, though. A huge number of Western anime fans,

- the ones who buy every piece of merchandise related to Attack on Titan, and dress up as Hetalia characters at conventions, but have never heard of Clannad, because it's not on Adult Swim or Netflix

- the ones who think Persona 4 sounds like a game they might enjoy, until someone tells them that it has visual novel elements, at which point they lose all interest in the game

- the ones who complain that 30 dollars for 13 episodes of Bleach is price gouging by greedy anime companies, because they've never seen how much Aniplex charges

- the ones who only watch dubbed shows, because if they wanted to read, they'd pick up a book

-the ones who refuse to try Madoka, because they simply don't enjoy shows with female protagonists

are not represented by a poll on a message board specifically about visual novels. 30% of the members of a specific message board that caters to a subset of anime fans do not qualify as anything other than a corner of anime fandom, no matter how passionate or vocal they are online.

leatherhead333 wrote:

3rd this admittedly a problem with the manga as well but can someone tell me how the hell Illya was able to defeat someone using a sword that "created the world" and still walk around the next day like nothing happened?

1) Gil was crazy and partially incarnated, so he could only use half of Ea's power.

2) The Kaleidosticks use Dimensional Magic to pull unlimited magical energy from other worlds, so their users never run out of energy. The hitch to this is that there's only so much magical energy a body can actually handle at a time, and if someone overdoes it they'll seriously hurt their self.

3) By using two sticks, Illya forcibly overloaded herself with magical energy, making her ridiculously powerful. However, she wasn't able to handle it normally, forcing her to turn her nerves, muscles, organs, and various other things that were never meant to channel magical energy into Magic Circuits. Side effects of this include excruciating agony (which we say Kuro go through) and massive internal trauma (which the anime really screwed up at showing, given that Illya nearly died using 2wei form).

4) Even at the start of 3rei - days after Illya used 2wei mode - Ruby's still working at fixing Illya's organs, and expressly forbids from ever using the mode again because it's too dangerous.

Hopefully that cleared some things up for you.

leatherhead333 wrote:

I mean they've been in hopeless situations before like when they fought Saber and Bazzet. And the only reason Illya was hurting so much was due to how powerful Gil was at this point. If she'd used this power on anyone else it would just take the flick of her finger to obliterate them. Problems solved. Also if she has infinite power in that mode doesn't that mean she should be able to infinitely heal herself? There just so many questions the series doesn't answer on this issue that it kind of makes

When they fought the Saber Card, Sapphire didn't show up post-Excalibur No. 1 until Illya had already Installed the Archer Card. There was no opportunity for it to happen.

When they fought Bazett, again, Sapphire wasn't there for the majority of the fight. And once she was, Illya was in no condition to bear the strain of 2wei form.

And given that 2wei form is explicitly meant to overclock and damage the body in exchange for power, healing is an afterthought. If Illya had the leeway to devote the magical energy she gained from 2wei form into healing instead of blasting whatever was enough of a threat to resort to it, then there'd be no point in her using it in the first place.

1. Half of a world creating weapon would still be powerful enough to mess up a planet.

4. If Illya's organs were damaged shouldn't she be having health problems due to the change?

leatherhead333 wrote:

4. If Illya's organs were damaged shouldn't she be having health problems due to the change?

This is the part where I need to remind you that Illya is not human, but a homonculus. So unlike you average frail human where a little damage here or there can easily end its life, she is your average monster that will survive until structural collapse (think 9/11 twin towers). Yeah, macho lolis with big sticks

leatherhead333 wrote:

1. Half of a world creating weapon would still be powerful enough to mess up a planet.

While Gilgamesh did really exist in FSN, Ea did not actually create the world. It's a hax weapon, but it's a Noble Phantasm at the end of the day.

That sort just adds to my point that using both sticks doesn't seem like it should be an issue for her if she can function normally with a damaged body.