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Ahasuerus
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Not that I doubt it, but Kanon and Air are based on hentai games?  I thought that Yuiichi's actions throughout Kanon were noble, and not just done to get into ANY of the girls' pantsus (as it were). I didn't see anything but the mildest sexual innuendo, and his actions toward each girl were honorable, protective, helpful, and caring. Quite virtuous and more importantly, A GOOD EXAMPLE.
I think that the moe appeal comes from the natural urge for a man to protect and care for the cute and (seemingly  ) helpless littler ones. Making these characters as cute as possible is a tradition as old as Disney, and no one claimed he was a moe-vert 
Adult "dating sims" otoh seem to have one purpose, and sex is the be-all and end-all; the shallow reward. Nayuki in a sex scene??? I can't even (and don't want to) picture it. Rather than portray it as the natural outcome of love and affection during a two-way relationship, the games (much like real life games that people play) focus on that "caveman conquest" attitude rather than the love story. The West is far more sex-obsessed/hypocritical than in Japan, where romance is still accepted, honored, and not as cynically approached as here where sex is simply the "goal". No wonder so many relationships are screwed up 
(By the way, I finally watched all of "Air" last night, and while it wasn't as strong to me a story as Kanon, I did enjoy it very much in the end. Took several episodes though; I try to give every story a chance to grow and glad I did in this case. And speaking of goals, I thought Mizuzu's "goal" was wonderful, 'nuff said. That's what made me decide to buy the box; yep, it took me that many episodes  )
But I'm finding it very hard to imagine any of the characters in Kanon in sexual situations, and really don't want to as it cheapens them and their stories. Whatever the reasons, the story worked for me, and I saw it as a series of involving, intriguing plotlines that made me feel very warm while watching, made me laugh (a lot), even cry. When a story connects like that, it succeeds; it's a success 
Even though Yuiichi was sleeping with (*possible spoiler snipped*) he was just sleeping. These were sweet scenes, and not meant to entice, turn-on, or be suggestively lewd to the viewer. And you know, maybe that IS realistic, for some people, honorable people, caring people? If we set our sights higher than looking just for tittilation and panty shots, maybe it'll be easier to grasp some stories that appear "moe," or "loli," or [insert cliched generalization]. But these terms are already deep-set in anime's history and subculture, so I guess it's too late to hope for change. It's not too late for some tolerance and understanding.
For me, each of the Kanon girls were girls I'd have liked to be with, not to check out their bodies, have sex with them, or get turned on by (naturally, if it happens...  ). I would have liked the chance to hang out with, care for, and learn about them, and I believe that's what the creators wanted to evoke. Whatever happened to romance, anyway?
Lastly, in the "A Funny Thing Happened to Me on the Way to the Forum" Department, I first got into anime by way of hentai games, so I'm not a prude But after I got involved (hm... obsessed? ) with anime, my interest in the games became non-existent. You'd think that since I had such an affinity with the gaming that with all the "moe this" and "loli that" I'd be a raging pervert by now. But since the romantic animes I've seen have really been love stories as opposed to sex stories, they fulfill a higher and more noble purpose. And that is a good thing 
Kanon R1s can't come soon enough! Perhaps it's not for everyone, but I was enchanted from the first OP to the end I love this story, and as a writer, there can't be a higher compliment
Thanks for having a mature, honest, and adult discussion. Refreshing!!!
---> you
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:12 pm
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I understand your point. But the only thing I don't care about is the completely insistent use of the term "moe" and all of it's negative attachments to show like this. I'm a guy and I personally like the To Heart series. I brought the entire series as it was released, including the collector's box. I've never seen Air (besides the first episode shown on ADV's site) but I am going to buy the Kanon series dvds as they are released. Because of that (owning To Heart and planning to buy Kanon), does that make me a "moe" pervert? No, I don't think so. I like to Heart for it's good emotional content, same reason I like Kare Kano. To Heart, Kanon, and Kare Kano all share a lot of the same themes found in real life. Things like love, loss, achievements, disappointments, and dealing with life, as well as, death. They are just good examples of slice of life/romantic comedies. |
Good if you can ignore all the incest, or underaged sex, or paedophilia innuendo, or panty shots, but unfortunately those things are "slice of life" too. As a parent, I can not do this.
| Quote: | | These are the reason's, I personally, watch and buy these shows. I just don't like the unfair stigma these shows tend to carry. And I think this whole "moe boom" thing in Japan is totally absurd. Mainly because American pick up on anything new or in the "now" that comes out of Japan, especially if it deals with anime or manga. They (the Japanese anime & manga marketing heads) need to be more aware of the fact that almost everything they market and sell, then export over here to the U.S. makes serious ripples that can change the face of our anime & manga market. It is of my opinion that this whole "moe boom" in Japan has created an undeserved miasma of perverseness around slice of life shows that has pretty much taken over here as well with American anime fans like it has with Japanese fans. Which pretty much makes it bad for those fans out there that like these shows for their meaningful content rather than the fact they have "moe" looking characters and/or want these characters to be their "little sisters", or whatever other crap people want to associate with it. I hardly EVER post on forums, but I do read them. And I only post if I have something important to say. This has been on shoulders for quites some time now and it's good to take the weight off. And as you can probably tell, I'm more than a little aggravated and sick of hearing about "moe" this and "moe" that. "What about the story?" is my question. |
What about the story? Would "Last Tango In Paris" have been the same if it didn't have the brutal sex in it that it did? If you have ever seen it you would probably say no, but that movie was the last of it genre ever done by a legitimate Hollywood studio because of the controversy it caused, and very few people dared boast that they liked it because "it 's a good story" because of that controversy. It's a bit naive to say to people who don't share your feelings for these that you only like them because of the story. It's like proclaiming that you only read Hustler, or Penthouse because of the articles. You're going to get chortled at and slagged for it. That's the way it is, like it, or not.
| Quote: | | fans should have a right to like the shows that they like without having the shows, and they themselves, be pigeonholed into any one category. Especially a degrading category such as "moe" and/or "lolicon degenerates". Come on people. Dear God, just enjoy your anime and appreciate them for their content. The same way another human being should be appreciated for and judged by, their character and content. And as Zac pointed out, it's ok not to like a show someone else likes. everyone has that right as an individual. It's only when you ridicule and pigeonhole someone by labeling them for their likes and dislikes based on the ideas of current trends that you put yourself in the wrong. Just watch watch what you like to watch and leave alone the stuff you don't. I'm sorry for going on and on. My heart is now unburdened.
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To Zac and anyone else who would like to sound off: "Would these shows still be considered "moe" if this whole"moe boom" had never started in Japan?" And also: "Would shows like Tenchi Muyo, Maho Tsukai Tai!, Di Gi Charat, Comic Party, Card Captor Sakura, or dare I say, even Saikano be considered "moe" these days thanks to the current wave that is taking over Japan's/America's anime industry and the term being thrown around and applied to whatever show people see fit?" I don't think they are. But due to the fickle nature of trends (and us human beings for that matter), who knows. Stay well everyone. |
I don't consider Tenchi Muyo as moe but as a harum title. The rest could be considered as moe in the original definition, but unfortunately all these titles have been highjacked by a few otaku who see these characters in a rather depraved way and have illustrated their imagination for anyone else to see in the form of graphic drawings and doujinshi. Now how could they go and do that, and why? Look I don't care if anyone likes the genre, or not. but if anyone doesn't like people saying that they think you're a perv for doing so, quit going on the forum squealing like a 14 year old moe/ lolicom fangirl, or boy having your first orgasm because your favourite fansub got licensed. This isn't 4chan.
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Ongaku_no_tenshi
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:48 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| Ongaku_no_tenshi wrote: | |
I understand your point. But the only thing I don't care about is the completely insistent use of the term "moe" and all of it's negative attachments to show like this. I'm a guy and I personally like the To Heart series. I brought the entire series as it was released, including the collector's box. I've never seen Air (besides the first episode shown on ADV's site) but I am going to buy the Kanon series dvds as they are released. Because of that (owning To Heart and planning to buy Kanon), does that make me a "moe" pervert? No, I don't think so. I like to Heart for it's good emotional content, same reason I like Kare Kano. To Heart, Kanon, and Kare Kano all share a lot of the same themes found in real life. Things like love, loss, achievements, disappointments, and dealing with life, as well as, death. They are just good examples of slice of life/romantic comedies. |
Good if you can ignore all the incest, or underaged sex, or paedophilia innuendo, or panty shots, but unfortunately those things are "slice of life" too. As a parent, I can not do this.
| Quote: | | These are the reason's, I personally, watch and buy these shows. I just don't like the unfair stigma these shows tend to carry. And I think this whole "moe boom" thing in Japan is totally absurd. Mainly because American pick up on anything new or in the "now" that comes out of Japan, especially if it deals with anime or manga. They (the Japanese anime & manga marketing heads) need to be more aware of the fact that almost everything they market and sell, then export over here to the U.S. makes serious ripples that can change the face of our anime & manga market. It is of my opinion that this whole "moe boom" in Japan has created an undeserved miasma of perverseness around slice of life shows that has pretty much taken over here as well with American anime fans like it has with Japanese fans. Which pretty much makes it bad for those fans out there that like these shows for their meaningful content rather than the fact they have "moe" looking characters and/or want these characters to be their "little sisters", or whatever other crap people want to associate with it. I hardly EVER post on forums, but I do read them. And I only post if I have something important to say. This has been on shoulders for quites some time now and it's good to take the weight off. And as you can probably tell, I'm more than a little aggravated and sick of hearing about "moe" this and "moe" that. "What about the story?" is my question. |
What about the story? Would "Last Tango In Paris" have been the same if it didn't have the brutal sex in it that it did? If you have ever seen it you would probably say no, but that movie was the last of it genre ever done by a legitimate Hollywood studio because of the controversy it caused, and very few people dared boast that they liked it because "it 's a good story" because of that controversy. It's a bit naive to say to people who don't share your feelings for these that you only like them because of the story. It's like proclaiming that you only read Hustler, or Penthouse because of the articles. You're going to get chortled at and slagged for it. That's the way it is, like it, or not.
| Quote: | | fans should have a right to like the shows that they like without having the shows, and they themselves, be pigeonholed into any one category. Especially a degrading category such as "moe" and/or "lolicon degenerates". Come on people. Dear God, just enjoy your anime and appreciate them for their content. The same way another human being should be appreciated for and judged by, their character and content. And as Zac pointed out, it's ok not to like a show someone else likes. everyone has that right as an individual. It's only when you ridicule and pigeonhole someone by labeling them for their likes and dislikes based on the ideas of current trends that you put yourself in the wrong. Just watch watch what you like to watch and leave alone the stuff you don't. I'm sorry for going on and on. My heart is now unburdened.
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To Zac and anyone else who would like to sound off: "Would these shows still be considered "moe" if this whole"moe boom" had never started in Japan?" And also: "Would shows like Tenchi Muyo, Maho Tsukai Tai!, Di Gi Charat, Comic Party, Card Captor Sakura, or dare I say, even Saikano be considered "moe" these days thanks to the current wave that is taking over Japan's/America's anime industry and the term being thrown around and applied to whatever show people see fit?" I don't think they are. But due to the fickle nature of trends (and us human beings for that matter), who knows. Stay well everyone. |
I don't consider Tenchi Muyo as moe but as a harum title. The rest could be considered as moe in the original definition, but unfortunately all these titles have been highjacked by a few otaku who see these characters in a rather depraved way and have illustrated their imagination for anyone else to see in the form of graphic drawings and doujinshi. Now how could they go and do that, and why? Look I don't care if anyone likes the genre, or not. but if anyone doesn't like people saying that they think you're a perv for doing so, quit going on the forum squealing like a 14 year old moe/ lolicom fangirl, or boy having your first orgasm because your favourite fansub got licensed. This isn't 4chan. |
To Mohawk,
Sir, I think you may have taken my posts in the wrong light. I am not, I repeat, am not trying to defend these shows like some fanatical fan of this genre. I was only bringing up the fact that, through my forum reading, I've noticed many poster get grilled for liking whatever show they like. No matter if it's Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu, To Heart, Kanon, or whatever else shows that seem to polarize anime fans. I was only speaking up for the casual anime fans like myself. Just to make myself clear, I don't care what's moe and what's not and I am NOT a supporter of anything lolicom in any way, I'm just a casual anime fan and forum observer. I also understand your viewpoint as well, sir. You are a family man and your views reflect upon you in that way. You are doing what you feel is best for you and your family. I gladly give you the respect you rightfully deserve, sir.
My questions at the end of my posts were only for me to get a better understanding of what others thought, in a constructive conversational manner. Nothing more. I apologize if I may have angered you in any way. I do thank you for your input, sir, and I hope you and your family stay well.
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HitokiriShadow
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:52 pm
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| Ahasuerus wrote: | Not that I doubt it, but Kanon and Air are based on hentai games? I thought that Yuiichi's actions throughout Kanon were noble, and not just done to get into ANY of the girls' pantsus (as it were). I didn't see anything but the mildest sexual innuendo, and his actions toward each girl were honorable, protective, helpful, and caring. Quite virtuous and more importantly, A GOOD EXAMPLE. |
Just because a game has sex scenes doesn't mean it can't have a good story as well. And the characters don't have to be horny bastards either (though they often are). Shuffle, Lunar Legend Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, and Rumbling Hearts are also based on ero/porn/hentai/whatever games. If it has sex, it will probably sell at least decently, so they can do what they want with the plot. Some, like Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night, have pretty complex storylines. A lot of these games get porn-free all ages releases later if they sell well.
So, just because there was a porn scene, doesn't mean it can't have other merits as well. Also,if I recall correctly, the Kanon sex scenes consisted of a single picture per character.
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Ahasuerus
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:05 am
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| Quote: | | Just because a game has sex scenes doesn't mean it can't have a good story as well. And the characters don't have to be horny bastards either (though they often are). Shuffle, Lunar Legend Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, and Rumbling Hearts are also based on ero/porn/hentai/whatever games. If it has sex, it will probably sell at least decently, so they can do what they want with the plot. Some, like Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night, have pretty complex storylines. A lot of these games get porn-free all ages releases later if they sell well.
So, just because there was a porn scene, doesn't mean it can't have other merits as well. Also,if I recall correctly, the Kanon sex scenes consisted of a single picture per character. |
Interesting, thank you. I did see Fate/Stay Night but not play the game; sexual situations between the characters never occurred to me. Naturally I was rooting for the romance between Saber and Shiro (and have quite a soft spot for Sakura), but depicting the lovemaking just seems unneccesary. I probably should have played the game first
I think the stories in anime work much better without gratuitous sex; although I suppose if the game is eroge it can't be called gratuitous As far as anime goes, I can really do without seeing them "under the sheets", but that's just my preferences. I've seen some amazingly beautiful and erotic renders; taken out of the story they can be most striking. But straight-up anime porn, ugh.
"Bible Black" had an excellent story and some pretty explicit scenes, and was the game that got me interested in looking for it in an anime. That search led me to "Elfen Lied," my first anime, and from that point on my interest in erotic games vanished in light of the epiphany Despite the notorious (and overblown) references to its "rampant nudity" ( ), I found that the nude scenes fit perfectly well with the story, and barely noticed them.
Kanon just seems such a sweet and innocent story that it's hard to imagine the creators "going there." Eroticism has its place, but inserting it just seems way beyond fan service-y to me. Glad they kept it in the game
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Zalis116
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | | [To Heart, Kanon, and Kare Kano are] [G]ood if you can ignore all the incest, or underaged sex, or paedophilia innuendo, or panty shots, but unfortunately those things are "slice of life" too. As a parent, I can not do this. |
I just have to ask, have you actually seen these series to verify that they do contain these elements, or are you just assuming they do and stereotyping them?
| Mohawk52 wrote: | | Look I don't care if anyone likes the genre, or not. but if anyone doesn't like people saying that they think you're a perv for doing so, quit going on the forum squealing like a 14 year old moe/ lolicom fangirl, or boy having your first orgasm because your favourite fansub got licensed. |
Boy, I guess we fansub viewers just can't win here  Sorry for being so happy about it, let me correct my reaction: ADV is just an evil money-grubbing company and they're totally gonna ruin Kanon by releasing overpriced DVDs with a crappy dub and ugly yellow subtitles with worse translation than the fansubs. There, is that better?
I can take people's criticism of this genre of anime or of myself for liking it. But if I'm going to be attacked for it, I'd at least prefer to be attacked by people who have actually seen the series in question and know what they're talking about, rather than parroting the same old "this anime's based on a game with dirty pictures so it's a degenerate piece of filth" line. To Heart, for instance, has zero incest, underaged sex (or sex of any kind), panty shots, or pedophilia innuendo.
| ahasuerus wrote: | Kanon just seems such a sweet and innocent story that it's hard to imagine the creators "going there." Eroticism has its place, but inserting it just seems way beyond fan service-y to me. Glad they kept it in the game |
It's more like they removed it from the anime, since it was in the game originally.
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dormcat
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | | Good if you can ignore all the incest, or underaged sex, or paedophilia innuendo, or panty shots, but unfortunately those things are "slice of life" too. As a parent, I can not do this. |
We all know that you are #1 moe-hater here at ANN, Mohawk. If you haven't done it yet you might want to check out all three series completely before making such a strong accusation.
By the way, your words could be more persuasive if you don't continue using a character who holds a tsunderekko loli in his arms while being pursued by 12 female android assassins with different types of moe, including loli-ness, as your avatar. 
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ZeroRyoko1974
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People ask some pretty dumb questions at con panels sometimes.
Con Goer: What is the status of the Eva live action movie
Williams: All I can say is that its currently in production. I can tell you nothing more then that because 3 different companies need to sign off on anything I say about it
another con goer: Who is starring in it? Can we get Monica (Rial) in it?
Williams: I can't say anything about that
yet another con goer: Who is directing it?
Williams: I can't say anything about it
con goer: Are you going to license the Eva rebuild movie
Williams: I can neither confirm nor deny any license/title that we have not made an anouncement about
Really, anyone who has been to more then 1 adv panel, could probably put on a David Williams mask and answer most of the questions, as its either going to be can't confirm nor deny; make some joke about Monica or other VA in attendence; just plain make something up that sounds about right
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calawain
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:13 am
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| Ongaku_no_tenshi wrote: | |
I understand your point. But the only thing I don't care about is the completely insistent use of the term "moe" and all of it's negative attachments to show like this. I'm a guy and I personally like the To Heart series. I brought the entire series as it was released, including the collector's box. I've never seen Air (besides the first episode shown on ADV's site) but I am going to buy the Kanon series dvds as they are released. Because of that (owning To Heart and planning to buy Kanon), does that make me a "moe" pervert? No, I don't think so. I like to Heart for it's good emotional content, same reason I like Kare Kano. To Heart, Kanon, and Kare Kano all share a lot of the same themes found in real life. Things like love, loss, achievements, disappointments, and dealing with life, as well as, death. They are just good examples of slice of life/romantic comedies. |
Good if you can ignore all the incest, or underaged sex, or paedophilia innuendo, or panty shots, but unfortunately those things are "slice of life" too. As a parent, I can not do this. |
There's incest, sex, pedophelia, and panty shots in To Heart? Wow, you must have been watching a totally different show then I was...
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:53 am
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | | Good if you can ignore all the incest, or underaged sex, or paedophilia innuendo, or panty shots, but unfortunately those things are "slice of life" too. As a parent, I can not do this. |
We all know that you are #1 moe-hater here at ANN, Mohawk. If you haven't done it yet you might want to check out all three series completely before making such a strong accusation.
By the way, your words could be more persuasive if you don't continue using a character who holds a tsunderekko loli in his arms while being pursued by 12 female android assassins with different types of moe, including loli-ness, as your avatar. |
Sorry, but you lost me there. Just what has my avatar got to do with it? Seems a bit like clutching at floating bits of fluff just to be cute in a stupid ass way to me, which is totally uncalled for. I don't hate moe I never did, I hate it when people turn what is cute into something sexual. You're right I haven't seen these, but nor do I have any plans to either. I'm not interested in anything that is nothing but loli pandering to me. May I suggest a bit of anger management to control the angsty outbursts?
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Zalis116
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | | I don't hate moe I never did, I hate it when people turn what is cute into something sexual. You're right I haven't seen these, but nor do I have any plans to either. I'm not interested in anything that is nothing but loli pandering to me. |
Okay, now you've lost me here -- if you don't hate moe, why do you slash it together with loli (which you clearly do hate) in the "moe/lolicom fangirl or boy" statement in your previous post? That, to me, equates the two.
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calawain
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:37 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| dormcat wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | | Good if you can ignore all the incest, or underaged sex, or paedophilia innuendo, or panty shots, but unfortunately those things are "slice of life" too. As a parent, I can not do this. |
We all know that you are #1 moe-hater here at ANN, Mohawk. If you haven't done it yet you might want to check out all three series completely before making such a strong accusation.
By the way, your words could be more persuasive if you don't continue using a character who holds a tsunderekko loli in his arms while being pursued by 12 female android assassins with different types of moe, including loli-ness, as your avatar. |
Sorry, but you lost me there. Just what has my avatar got to do with it? Seems a bit like clutching at floating bits of fluff just to be cute in a stupid ass way to me, which is totally uncalled for. I don't hate moe I never did, I hate it when people turn what is cute into something sexual. You're right I haven't seen these, but nor do I have any plans to either. I'm not interested in anything that is nothing but loli pandering to me. May I suggest a bit of anger management to control the angsty outbursts? |
Nothing on your avatar, but its kind of ironic that you seem to suggest anger management when you yourself angrily spout out hate of shows you've never even see. A fact made obvious by the fact of how you describe Kanon and To Heart.
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Mohawk52
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| Zalis116 wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | | Look I don't care if anyone likes the genre, or not. but if anyone doesn't like people saying that they think you're a perv for doing so, quit going on the forum squealing like a 14 year old moe/ lolicom fangirl, or boy having your first orgasm because your favourite fansub got licensed. |
Boy, I guess we fansub viewers just can't win here Sorry for being so happy about it, let me correct my reaction: ADV is just an evil money-grubbing company and they're totally gonna ruin Kanon by releasing overpriced DVDs with a crappy dub and ugly yellow subtitles with worse translation than the fansubs. There, is that better? |
I think you misinterpreted my meaning with that. Please go to the top of this thread to see what I meant by "squealing" and "orgasm"
| calawain wrote: | | Nothing on your avatar, but its kind of ironic that you seem to suggest anger management when you yourself angrily spout out hate of shows you've never even see. A fact made obvious by the fact of how you describe Kanon and To Heart. |
There's no anger with my description of those titles. It's just that, my description.
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | | I don't hate moe I never did, I hate it when people turn what is cute into something sexual. You're right I haven't seen these, but nor do I have any plans to either. I'm not interested in anything that is nothing but loli pandering to me. |
Okay, now you've lost me here -- if you don't hate moe, why do you slash it together with loli (which you clearly do hate) in the "moe/lolicom fangirl or boy" statement in your previous post? That, to me, equates the two. |
Well personally I consider moe as an emotion toward anything cute in an innocent non-sexual way, but it seems the term has been high jacked and assimilated to also mean the same as loli by some so I find myself forced to merge the two in order to get my point across, but I'm not doing too good am I? (Picks up the bucket and mop and leaves the room)
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calawain
Joined: 11 May 2007
Posts: 192
Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:58 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| calawain wrote: | | Nothing on your avatar, but its kind of ironic that you seem to suggest anger management when you yourself angrily spout out hate of shows you've never even see. A fact made obvious by the fact of how you describe Kanon and To Heart. |
There's no anger with my description of those titles. It's just that, my description. |
Perhaps you could explain to me how Kanon or To Heart possess "incest, or underaged sex, or paedophilia innuendo, or panty shots" I would be able to understand how instead of it being an angry rant it is an accurate description of the shows in question.
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Moogy
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:53 am
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| calawain wrote: | | Kanon... underage sex |
Fun fact: Shiori tells you that's she 14 shortly before her ero scene in the game. It seems that Key didn't even attempt to care about making the characters legal.
(Note that all of the Kanon H scenes are skippable anyway and don't add anything to the plot.)
Oh, and don't forget that Nayuki is Yuuichi's cousin. So that's incest, I guess!
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