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NEWS: Japan's Child Pornography Bill Would Not Restrict Anime, Manga

Ryuk25 wrote:

Honestly why is there so much ecchi and hentai involving children?

There's not that much at all, man. We could honestly use more. Can't remember the last time an actual loli hentai got released. NTR seems like the big thing these days.

But honestly, the real goal in the end is to try and stop physically selling H related goods in stores so it doesn't look bad in 2020 when they host the Olympics. It's the only reason why they want to try and clean up things looks wise. Since if anyone's noticed they've been doing more work on the physical retail side of trying to clean up compared to online.

the last loli was choisuji and the last shotacon was boku no pico.

ninjapet wrote:

But honestly, the real goal in the end is to try and stop physically selling H related goods in stores so it doesn't look bad in 2020 when they host the Olympics. It's the only reason why they want to try and clean up things looks wise. Since if anyone's noticed they've been doing more work on the physical retail side of trying to clean up compared to online.

Well, 6 years may see a change in how things are sold, but who knows, Japan works in mysteriously archaic ways. The intent of trying to end all h-publication, even my example of proper Christian missionary baby-making sex, is very clear, they're just starting with the low-hanging fruit that white people nations have been bugging them with for a decade.

I love lolis, I love lolis a lot. But I've never been fond of the actual lolicon pornography that has been created. If it is in an mainstream anime title (One aired on TV in Japan) for the most part, I'm okay with it.

Thank God, my lolis are safe.

Tsuchiya stated, "I believed we should go a step further and take a look at manga and anime in which children are sexually abused."

But if you define child porn as any character under 18, that's potentially tens of thousands of anime and manga.

Someone will try to use the false false equivalence argument with talk of violence which is dumb. They aren't the same thing at all and violence has it's own share of elements.

New Zealand banned the Ikkitousen series after the first season on child abuse grounds. Stupid, yes, but at least they're consistent, lol.

Should someone be able to make that? Maybe. Should some one be able to buy it? Maybe. I'm not here to decide that, but I don't buy the "it's fictional". I would still react at disgust at a drawn image of a 5 year old being raped just as I may be aroused at porn where the characters are supposed to be of age. The intent of the material is the same as if it were real life porn.

I'm sorry, but that is bs. There is NO difference between war glorification games like wolfenstien/call of duty and loli/shota as far as the "ethics" question is concerned. Both are vices, both are consumed by people who understand and recognize the difference between fantasy and reality, and there is no factual, academic evidence that proves that consuming either of them will lead one to act out and commit atrocious and reprehensible acts in the real world.

The people who argue that those similarities and parallels aren't there are, to be frank, individuals who are uncomfortable with the idea of something that they like and enjoy being lumped together with something that they hate and despise. It's okay to feel that way, but that doesn't remove or change the similarities.

Rahxephon91 wrote:

Should someone be able to make that? Maybe. Should some one be able to buy it? Maybe. I'm not here to decide that, but I don't buy the "it's fictional". I would still react at disgust at a drawn image of a 5 year old being raped just as I may be aroused at porn where the characters are supposed to be of age. The intent of the material is the same as if it were real life porn.

The intent of the material is to help reach an orgasm, which in itself is not a bad thing as you're surely to agree. However you don't know what it is that turns people on in those materials. Drawing a generalization from your own reactions is just silly, because different people are turned on by different things. Maybe drawn children are just a substitute for real children, maybe they're turned on by the idealized art, maybe by the idea of breaking a taboo. As long as someone doesn't whip out some hard data this is pure conjecture. That's why we can only argue about personal ethical convictions here.

You're going to bring up games like CoD, but again I don't look at violence the same way I do sex. A hero can kill people and still be seen as this awesome person. The moment he commits sex with a minor or rape, he's bad. This is stuff basically tied into our very core and has even been in our stories forever. I'm not sure how you can compare sex and violence with they have thier own norms.

Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was regarded as contributing to morale.[1] Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships.[2] Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds.