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Zac wrote:

Nope. Making fun of stuff is and generally always should be OK.

There is a difference between "poking fun at a show" and "insulting anyone who has the temerity to like it"

Upotte!! is a very easy show to make fun of, in fact, I've done more than just a bit of that myself, but I'm not going to make sweeping judgements of people because they like it.

dragon695 wrote:

It may be a mystery, but I've prefer my porn in porn, where it doesn't tease me, you know? Sorry, but softcore shit doesn't do it for me, besides be a dick tease. But enough of that.

Really? Because that's only the 1 billionth time you've iterated that point, you tedious, soap-boxing bore. Are you sure you don't want to go for another billion times?

Blood- wrote:

dragon695 wrote: It may be a mystery, but I've prefer my porn in porn, where it doesn't tease me, you know? Sorry, but softcore shit doesn't do it for me, besides be a dick tease. But enough of that. Really? Because that's only the 1 billionth time you've iterated that point, you tedious, soap-boxing bore. Are you sure you don't want to go for another billion times?

Sure thing dude

And yes, sometimes the characters are just a collection of cliches and archetypes assembled for fanservice. And there is absolutley nothing wrong with that because you don't have to watch those shows.

Sure, there are shows with terrible characters (Infinite Stratos anyone?) but there are also plenty of shows that get lambasted by "Type-A" (oooh I hate these terms already) fans do have good characters, but they're not going to bother watching past an episode or two.

And yes, sometimes the characters are just a collection of cliches and archetypes assembled for fanservice. And there is absolutley nothing wrong with that because you don't have to watch those shows.

Personally, I have to question how healthy someone is sexually if they see "fanservice" in everything....

And I'm someone who doesn't find 2D characters (or CGI characters...well not-real charaters in general) sexually attractive at all.

So I guess by TitanXL's standards, I'm not a "real" anime fan, nor have I ever been.

And the question is certainly about thoughts on shows, and getting to the core of not just watching them, but them even being produced.

dragon695 wrote:

Blood- wrote: dragon695 wrote: It may be a mystery, but I've prefer my porn in porn, where it doesn't tease me, you know? Sorry, but softcore shit doesn't do it for me, besides be a dick tease. But enough of that. Really? Because that's only the 1 billionth time you've iterated that point, you tedious, soap-boxing bore. Are you sure you don't want to go for another billion times? Sure thing dude

Your other option, of course, since you constantly remind us that you like your porn straight up, is to simply watch "Barnyard Animals Go Wild" or whatever it is that puts the tingle in your schwingle instead of soap-boxing here.

Blood- wrote:

dragon695 wrote: Blood- wrote: dragon695 wrote: It may be a mystery, but I've prefer my porn in porn, where it doesn't tease me, you know? Sorry, but softcore shit doesn't do it for me, besides be a dick tease. But enough of that. Really? Because that's only the 1 billionth time you've iterated that point, you tedious, soap-boxing bore. Are you sure you don't want to go for another billion times? Sure thing dude Your other option, of course, since you constantly remind us that you like your porn straight up, is to simply watch "Barnyard Animals Go Wild" or whatever it is that puts the tingle in your schwingle instead of soap-boxing here.

Well too often I get the response that not liking fanservice is handwaved away by obvious conclusions that "you're female" (which I'm not) or "you like BL so you're gay" (I'm not, I'm bi) so "obviously" I hate fanservice just for that reason. I got tired of it, so I'm willing to put up with being labeled a bore if needs be. Best to be up front when you argue something, lest some ascribe my actions to being loacated in some "Hell hole" in the bible-belt, eh?

Shenl742 wrote:

Personally, I have to question how healthy someone is sexually if they see "fanservice" in everything.... And I'm someone who doesn't find 2D characters (or CGI characters...well not-real charaters in general) sexually attractive at all.

Nice. Ad hominems definitely make you look intelligent.

Here's the thing, you obviously are not a good person to judge this kind of stuff. Just because you yourself don't like it doesn't mean other people do not, nor was it not the intention of the creators who did it, which seems to be your pain problem. Quite frankly you would have to be the more puritan or ignorant or blind person in the world to see some of this stuff and not stop and think "wow, those animators sure aren't being subtle, are they?"

If you could get off your high horse for one minute, you would actually re-read my post and see that I said I wouldn't call people 'fake fans' as the letter mentioned and did. Don't underestimate the value of reading comprehension just to make a snappy kneejerk comment.

Your statement would have merit if many of these Type B anime actually had characters. But they don't. They have archetypes/cliches for characters. Now, archetypes aren't bad. But they're supposed to be a base with which you can twist, subvert, and mold to create a truly unique character.

Most of these Type B moe anime stop at the base. Their characters are tired cliches which have nothing to differentiate them. There's a reason the meme "generic moeblob #183648292847" exists. No one ever takes the time to actually make a interesting character. Those rare few who do languish in obscurity.

Fencedude5609 wrote:

And yes, sometimes the characters are just a collection of cliches and archetypes assembled for fanservice. And there is absolutley nothing wrong with that because you don't have to watch those shows.

Isn't there though? It just seems like shows that do that are pandering (there's that word again) to the lowest common denominator. I know that came off sounding insulting but I don't know how else to describe it. We're talking about a person who sits down to watch a program, doesn't really care about the story, but is endeared by the "characters" which are nothing more than cardboard cutouts filled in with sterotypes and cliches. Sure I don't have to watch that program if I don't want to, but I'd hate to see that type of show become the more popular choice of programming. And in case people haven't realized it, it's not easy or common to have a good story with crappy characters, it is possible to have a show with a great story and great characters.

dragon695 wrote:

Blood- wrote: dragon695 wrote: Blood- wrote: dragon695 wrote: It may be a mystery, but I've prefer my porn in porn, where it doesn't tease me, you know? Sorry, but softcore shit doesn't do it for me, besides be a dick tease. But enough of that. Really? Because that's only the 1 billionth time you've iterated that point, you tedious, soap-boxing bore. Are you sure you don't want to go for another billion times? Sure thing dude Your other option, of course, since you constantly remind us that you like your porn straight up, is to simply watch "Barnyard Animals Go Wild" or whatever it is that puts the tingle in your schwingle instead of soap-boxing here. Well too often I get the response that not liking fanservice is handwaved away by obvious conclusions that "you're female" (which I'm not) or "you like BL so you're gay" (I'm not, I'm bi) so "obviously" I hate fanservice just for that reason. I got tired of it, so I'm willing to put up with being labeled a bore if needs be. Best to be up front when you argue something, lest some ascribe my actions to being loacated in some "Hell hole" in the bible-belt, eh?

Hey now I live in the bible belt... oh wait maybe that's why i am so fu**** up lawl. I love your mentality on this show is stupid because of the merchandise it will sell later on you judge a show based on the merit of the story, characters and overall progress of the plot. Well good news everyone news, for those liked madoka the have ona-holes of modka, mami and houmra now on j-list.

Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:

dragon695 wrote: Blood- wrote: dragon695 wrote: Blood- wrote: dragon695 wrote: It may be a mystery, but I've prefer my porn in porn, where it doesn't tease me, you know? Sorry, but softcore shit doesn't do it for me, besides be a dick tease. But enough of that. Really? Because that's only the 1 billionth time you've iterated that point, you tedious, soap-boxing bore. Are you sure you don't want to go for another billion times? Sure thing dude Your other option, of course, since you constantly remind us that you like your porn straight up, is to simply watch "Barnyard Animals Go Wild" or whatever it is that puts the tingle in your schwingle instead of soap-boxing here. Well too often I get the response that not liking fanservice is handwaved away by obvious conclusions that "you're female" (which I'm not) or "you like BL so you're gay" (I'm not, I'm bi) so "obviously" I hate fanservice just for that reason. I got tired of it, so I'm willing to put up with being labeled a bore if needs be. Best to be up front when you argue something, lest some ascribe my actions to being loacated in some "Hell hole" in the bible-belt, eh? Hey now I live in the bible belt... oh wait maybe that's why i am so fu**** up lawl. I love your mentality on this show is stupid because of the merchandise it will sell later on you judge a show based on the merit of the story, characters and overall progress of the plot. Well good news everyone news, for those liked madoka the have ona-holes of modka, mami and houmra now on j-list.

Yeah, well it's something he and others have been quick to jump on and soapbox about in other threads. Yeah, I suspect Kentuky is not much better, I guess.

As for the latter, that's terrible! But not surprising, I guess? And yeah I suck for writing off PMMM because sometimes you can be deceived. Ironically, it was dtm whose arguments convinced me to give it a try. But I hope I will continue to be proven wrong about my first impressions.

... Their characters are tired cliches which have nothing to differentiate them. There's a reason the meme "generic moeblob #183648292847" exists. No one ever takes the time to actually make a interesting character. Those rare few who do languish in obscurity.