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NEWS: Kodomo no Jikan Second Term Anime's Promo Streamed

I'm not going to defend the manga since I have yet to read it. But, it doesn't offend me, so I could care less now. It's a show I like, and I don't mind people saying they don't like it themselves, but when people are going to label it as porn or label the viewers as pedophiles, it makes me mad. I know you weren't but this kind of thing eventually happens. Also, if this is wrong, wouldn't most other anime be wrong. You see plenty of girls who look to be 9 or so in many anime but are 16 to 20 something, and people don't say anything about them.

the "story and plot are, effectively, irrelevant".

Zac wrote:

If that novel also contained big dripping illustrations of lovingly rendered horrifyingly violent crime scenes, or extremely detailed shots of someone being stabbed or whatever, people would probably condemn it as appealing to prurient interests.

"Probably?"

As a film student, you must be aware of the numerous films and social critics over the years who have pointed out that certain obsession for violence and certain sexual repression of American culture that has defined the last 50-100 years of our media.

To me it is clear that a certain type of American anime fan embraces pornographic anime like Gantz and Elfen Lied while shunning pornographic anime like Moe-tan and KnJ is a reflection of this mainstream dichotomy.

Zac wrote:

Those elements are there to attract otaku who identify as being part of lolicon fandom. Arguing otherwise is specious.

Zac wrote:

That each of Rin's indiscretions are presented as big splash-page illustrations, usually featuring the character in some state of undress and posing salaciously - resembling more a Playboy centerfold than an illustration meant to actually serve the storyline in a responsible manner that doesn't go out of its way to appeal to lolicon interests - is really all the proof you need.

Quoting these comments with an insightful question or two. When you end your arguments with these kinds of closed, dismissive statements, what do you think you're trying to accomplish in this discussion? You do understand who you're talking to, of course? Summing up the argument with "and that's all the proof you need" isn't going to convince a person of a drastically differing viewpoint that you've made your case. The message it sends is, "I'm not listening to your argument."

Thought you might want to consider this in light of your post in the Gungrave thread a few days back, when you told a user there that stating your opinion on the internet may be a waste of time. Well, this is why. Because people have a tendency to talk past eachother instead of with eachother.

I don't see how that's a refutation of Zac's point, though. I know it's the internet, and I know that anime fans are more ready to defend some "unsavory" elements that constitutes the medium... but how do those cheesecake shots indicate anything else other than pandering to a certain audience?

Let's be serious most of the world doesn't find 10 years old sexy, this isn't some kind of sexual repression where americans should go to the nearest preschool and remove their pants like the rest of the world because the rest of the world doesn't do that.

Let's be serious most of the world doesn't find 10 years old sexy, this isn't some kind of sexual repression where americans should go to the nearest preschool and remove their pants like the rest of the world because the rest of the world doesn't do that.

I like boobies, I like my female characters to have large boobies, I just don't like children going around telling her teacher to ejaculate into her. I don't find that funny, I find that disturbing

Of course maybe I am some prude for only thinking people who have gone through puberty are hot, and me and Zac should join the rest of the world by thinking 10 year olds are hot.

Also Japan shouldn't be the country to use as a benchmark for how a country should act around 10 year old girls or woman, much like how America shouldn't be the country that is used as a benchmark on how to treat race.

Japan finds 10 year old girls naked sexy and hilarious, and America finds racism hilarious, neither of them are people who should tell the rest of the world how to act.

Note that I am not marking spoilers because I doubt anyone opposed to KnJ is going to watch it anyway...

Charred Knight wrote:

Let's be serious most of the world doesn't find 10 years old sexy, this isn't some kind of sexual repression where americans should go to the nearest preschool and remove their pants like the rest of the world because the rest of the world doesn't do that.

At the risk of being serious, the point is that we who aren't morally outraged about KnJ aren't saying she is sexy, in fact precisely the opposite. She is precocious to an uncomfortable extreme, to the point of threatening to claim sexual harassment. This isn't a flippant ecchi anime. She is a troubled child, abused emotionally if not physically by her guardian, a relative who possibly took unfair emotional advantage of her dying mother. She never had a father, and her mother dies of cancer before she enters school. Her quite possibly lolicon cousin guardian, whom she instinctively avoids, is her only source of survival. Her behavior toward her teacher is organic and entirely authentic, allowing for artistic exaggeration. She is reaching out for someone, and sexuality happens--in the beginning--to be the only method she knows to get attention.

The reason Reiji pulls Rin out of school and tries to transfer her to another one is that he fears Aoki will fail to resist the impure urges of a relationship with Rin.

Dorcas_Aurelia wrote:

The reason Reiji pulls Rin out of school and tries to transfer her to another one is that he fears Aoki will fail to resist the impure urges of a relationship with Rin.

I don't know which chapter you've been through, but after reading volume 5 I can tell you that Reiji and Aoki will soon switch their places in Rin's matter, where spoiler[Reiji told himself "just six more years..." (16 is the legal age of marriage for females in Japan) while Aoki starts to realize Reiji is gradually taking Rin as Aki's replacement (and might take actions to stop Reiji doing so).]

See, you are assuming that evaluation. Yes, I am sure there are certain otaku who are so depraved as to think of Rin in a sexual manner. That has nothing to do with the literal script, and I don't think anyone here thinks of Rin as a sexual target.

I've yet to see anyone come up with a valid argument against this, and I don't really see how they can seeing as how there is official promotional art like this staring them in the face.

http://alafista.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/images/october07/111.jpg

Ok hang me by my toes for this but is anyone going to bother to discuss the story? Or just bicker and go back and forth like every other time on the moral issues? Each time I see a thread on this title I wonder if maybe, just maybe, people might discuss THE TITLE (beyond defending the loli element with the "it's got deep story" comments) that the bloody articles are on. Maybe explain some points of the actual story and how it matches with the manga for example. Does second term follow the manga? Is it canon? Who knows cause all that we have is just some moral melodrama. Every point on the story that is made always seems to be made somehow to justify or degrade the title for being loli. So they're still base don the moral rhetoric. If it is truly and simply inconceivable for this show to have any real discussion then I ask why even bother to have articles on this title at all here? Especially when a majority of the staff very clearly personally do not care for the title/sub-genre yet leave these threads open just long enough for them to degenerate and insert their own comments.