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jsieczka
 Posts: 150 Location: Rochester, NY |
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Just by viewing it you are supporting them, a good amount of this crap is free. People put it out because they enjoy the idea of some one watching what they are doing. |
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Top Gun
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I agree with you on the fictional drawing side of things, but I vehemently disagree with this statement. It doesn't matter if a person is paying for images of actual child pornography or not...the very act of partaking in them is creating a market for them, a market that involves inflicting terrible abuse on minors. Money doesn't have to physically change hands in order to perpetuate the trade, and preventing actual children from being sexually abused is by far the more pressing concern. |
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SongstressCela
 Posts: 615 Location: Pennsylvania |
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I suppose you two are right. I didn't take into account getting page views from a free site, knowing how many people download a file over p2p, etc.
I amend my original statement, then, to scratch the apathy over real content. But my point still stands over anime! |
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TarsTarkas
 Posts: 5836 Location: Virginia, United States |
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Sad thing is that the western nations are not even making a dent in the child sex trade or real child porn. Yet they continue to waste money on investigating and going to trial for animation. It would be money better spent helping rescue real children and catching the pedophiles who are abusing them or worse.
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hikaru004
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The Canadians prob did catch a pedophile before he could do any harm. |
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Koast
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I agree totally with you on that one. If it's drawings it shouldn't matter, if the legal system are going to waste their time on trying to send people to jail for looking at manga that may/may not have underage people in it, instead of finding real people who are really being abused then their completely moronic. History will not show them in a very good light 200 years or so in the future.
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StudioToledo
 Posts: 847 Location: Toledo, U.S.A. |
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Rather people stop watching this s--t permanently! 
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ikillchicken
 Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Oh so were throwing people in jail not because they've done something wrong but because we think they were probably going to do something wrong in the future now? |
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dragoneyes001
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guess people didn't read the article very carefully because its not only about the canadian but also an american case.
the courts really can't use animated drawings as proof of child porn unless the text itself creates the proof. if I posted a stickman it would be simply a stick man yet if I added text to describe the stickman as being naked and 11 years old playing with himself it would then be a case of child porn. manga on the other hand does add text which gives the added value needed for cases of depicting child abuse so do hentai videos because they actually describe the characters as being underage. look at pretty much any porn site they vehemently add "all models are 18+" even though its obvious some sites are actually posting pics of kids what I'm getting at is these cases will only go forth in the courts as long as there is some form of text or audio describing an illegal act because the drawings themselves can not be interpreted with any legal accuracy without them. |
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shadowblack
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Virtual murder is not murder. If I kill someone in a game, no matter how brutal the murder is, I'm not a murderer and I don't get sued for it.
Virtual theft is not theft. No matter how much I steal in a game I'm not a thief and I don't get sued for it. Virtual child porn... is just as real as virtual murder or virtual theft. So even if I watch a hentai movie where under-aged characters are having sex, of if I play a hentai game where some of the characters I can have sex with are under-aged, that does not make me a pedophile and I should not get sued for it. And the argument that watching virtual child porn can make someone go after real children is no more valid than the argument that by watching virtual child porn the cravings of some pedophiles are satisfied and as a result they DO NOT go after real children, which results in LESS children being harmed. Remember, every coin has TWO sides... |
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Ergzay
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Personally arresting these people for child porn is wrong, even if its real child porn. For non-real pornography (animation, drawn) there is no case whatsoever for arresting these people as they are not damaging any real person in any form or way, and I fully support anyone who wants to look at any drawn child with any thoughts of any form in their head.
Now for the case of real child pornography, I would say almost universally there is no way these people are paying for it, as if you pay for it is easily trackable. So he is downloading free child pornography (technically stealing it) and thus he is giving no money to the people who are producing it. This is the same argument used by all of you who say people who watch fansubs aren't supporting anime. And heck please people, its easy as heck to find what could be considered "child pornography". Google image search "Jock Sturges" and see what you find even with the filtered image search on. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Jock%20Sturges Here is a linkie for all of you. Oh and the paranoid of you might want to visit the link through a proxy if you are a 1984 type person. |
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CorneredAngel
 Posts: 854 Location: New York, NY |
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Unfortunately, you as an individual don't get to decide what's legal and what's not. The government of your country does. It's also worth stopping for a second, and remembering the basic fact that breaking any law doesn't mean you *will* go to jail - it just means that if the police and the prosecutors think it's worth their time and money and effort, you may go to jail. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
 Posts: 751 Location: Canada |
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Uh, sorry. Real child porn is and should be contraband. Real people were victimized to create it and that is what one inadvertently supports if they take part in such a thing. It's hardly up for debate.
At least not in the same way artificial and fictional content is. It is hypocrisy to condone only one kind of violence in fantasy rather than another. That amounts to mandating the way people should think which is none of the government's business. I don't want other people's morals imposed on me or anyone else, that's why there is a legal system. The trouble is that if the legal system contradicts itself then it becomes difficult to take it seriously. |
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SongstressCela
Posts: 615 Location: Pennsylvania |
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...I'm pretty sure that's common sense and goes without saying. That doesn't mean hauling someone downtown for it isn't any less asinine, appalling, and any other number of related adjectives. |
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Prodigiosus
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I think it's just a very fine line when it comes to virtual child porn. As someone had mentioned before, any sort of sexually explicit manga/anime involving high school students would be considered child porn under some of these obscenity laws (unless the creator decides to make it a high school only for people 18 and up) I also think these laws are a bit ridiculous regarding virtual child porn because the age of consent:
a) is often different in the country where the material is created b) varies by state to state in the US c) even varies in Canada and Austrialia based on location d) varies in some places depending on whether you are male or female (which I think is unfair and stupid to begin with, but what can you do?) http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm I'm not sure when this list was published though, so whether or not these current age restrictions apply, I'm not 100% sure. So I can get arrested for watching animated people under 18 engage in a sexually explicit act, but it's perfectly legal for me to engage in REAL sexual acts with people under 18? In any case, Real CP involving real children needs to be stopped, I am totally behind that. But I don't feel it is worth the time and money to arrest a person watching a 17 year animated high school girl engage in sex. (I am not referring to any of the particular cases mentioned in the article) |
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