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Double standards

[Mod Edit: OT Rant removed - Keonyn]

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[Mod Edit: Whoa there, lets try not to derail this thread by picking fights with the mods. If you have concerns about moderating on the forums, please direct it to the appropriate forum where it can be looked at and discussed without interfering with the threads in the other forums. Picking a fight here will just derail the thread and then we'll have no choice but to lock it, and then nobody wins. - Keonyn]

As grammatically bad as the opening post is, I'm leaving the thread open for people to discuss/vent their unhappiness with "unfinished" anime. No listing, please. And yes, give a good opinion.

The thread was reported for bad grammar and a weak opener by another user. I put my "two cents" in to let that and other users know that I wouldn't lock the thread, despite a complaint or two. But if you don't want double standards, even on newbs, then to hell with everyone for all I care.

I can't make everyone happy, and yet people still bitch and whine when I try to show lenience. Voluntary work isn't an excuse, that's just the way it is, and if my mood happens to be better or worse that day, live with it. I'm not a [expletive] machine.

I really hope you didn't go and lock it out of spite just because I brought this up.

I wasn't attacking your leniency, just your extraneous post (I have no idea whether or not someone had reported a post or not).. I didn't think the original post was so bad (for a complete newb, in any case) to warrant any kind of action other than maybe a pm directing him to posting rules.

And machine or not, you're given access privileges on the basis that you won't abuse them. The way you turned literally 5 mins after replying to this thread and locked the other one .. well I'm allowed to not like it.

It's not like I'm asking you guys to change the system, since it's the very same system that makes this forum a cut above the rest; I just get sick of seeing the elitism.

Congratulations though, having closed the thread you've made me well regret posting this whole thing at all, and sticking my neck out. I think I need another break from people.

It's not like I'm asking you guys to change the system, since it's the very same system that makes this forum a cut above the rest; I just get sick of seeing the elitism. Congratulations though, having closed the thread you've made me well regret posting this whole thing at all, and sticking my neck out. I think I need another break from people.

As I see it, Tony locked it because you had kvetched about a double standard. Since the "double standard" consisted of leniency on Tony's part in letting the thread stay open in the first place, I should think you'd be happy to see Tony apply normal, non-lenient standards. Or is it only a "double standard" when it displeases you?

When a mod posts in a thread, citing his reasons for leaving it open instead of applying standards and locking it, it is by definition not an "extraneous post".

Yup. You may go sulk in the corner all you want. It's a free world.

Ahahah... you want it to be a "cut above the rest" but dislike "elitism"... tell me, did you even look at what you had written before pressing "submit"?

Oh now, don't be like that. Come and give us all a nice big group hug and tell us all about your horrible childhood years. We can be best friends forever, and you can call me Sir.

Please understand that most moderation is a result of reports submitted by users, so when moderators do their job, what appear to be one-liner posts (such the post you cited by Tony) are actually responses to user-submitted reports, with that mod's reasons for keeping a thread open or closed. Enforcing the forum rules doesn't always fall in line with staying on the thread topic, unfortunately, so it sometimes seems like a double standard. And you'd be surprised by the sheer number of people who blatantly *don't* know the forum rules, so getting reports about the same type of lazy posting again and again can make some of us testy. Mods enforcing the rules are not trying to show off their shiny badges; 90% of the time we are responding to a complaint. The "I will allow it" posts are something that is not going to change, whether you like them or not.

abunai wrote:

When a mod posts in a thread, citing his reasons for leaving it open instead of applying standards and locking it, it is by definition not an "extraneous post".

You got me there. Of course we should wait for permission before sending our opinions out over the internet, especially when the initial post has unforgivably er.. forgotten a full stop. Your attitude of "a mod can do what he wants to do when he wants to do it because he's a mod and you're not" is exactly the kind of thing I detest..

You know I respected you

Amazing how that is often the preamble to a nasty little gush of vituperation....

I perhaps did overreact though - Tony K, if you look at that post for face value imagining that no one had reported the first post, maybe you can see what I'm saying? (And why the other user who's post was edited, reacted the way he did).

Not everyone gets to be a moderator, and you accepted the good with the bad when you accepted to take on the moderator status.

Sure, tell me to stick it. It reflects really well on your character.

You didn't "say" that a moderator can do whatever they want, it was your _attitude_ I referred to.

Look at the way you're treating me, all because I pointed out something I disliked with reference to moderating here.

I'm sure you'd like to sling more insults my way, so how about you do it via pm since Cloe has given me a mature response to the issue.

If you're going to throw mud at me, might as well do it somewhere where your peers don't have to be ashamed of your behaviour.

From your initial post all you've done is insult me, and if anything YOU pushed me into the little guy archetype, because you're the big guy with all the power.

I can assure you that if I said some of the things you said to me to another user, or treated them that way, I would have had my ass kicked for it.

No. You want to debate me, you do it in the open, where everybody can see.

Accepting moderator status doesn't mean we have to put up with anything you care to throw at us. And that includes your snide insinuations that any use of our powers constitutes a de facto abuse. This offended tone comes easy to you, but it boils down to you not wanting to debate fairly. Whenever it is pointed out that you are wrong, you start whining about how we should pity you because you're facing the oh-so-powerful moderators... while at the same time neatly sidestepping any effort to address the actual subject.

Sidestep, sidestep. When I call you out on something you said, you claim to be misunderstood.

Your attitude of "a mod can do what he wants to do when he wants to do it because he's a mod and you're not" is exactly the kind of thing I detest..

I'm treating you far better than you deserve. You haven't "pointed out something I dislike", you have indulged in continuous insinuations about the character of myself, Tony, and the entire moderation staff.

You are an expert on my peers' attitude towards me? If they have any problems with my behaviour, they will tell me. They don't need the likes of you to speak for them -- and you do not get to invoke them as yet another attempt to sidestep actual debate.

I see... you're arguing that I forced you to insult Tony, before ever entering into this discussion? That I provoked you into adopting this whining barracks-room lawyer pose and that I made you behave like an insufferable twit?

How terrible of me. I must really be a bad, bad person. And how brave of you to stand up to me. Why, with all this power that you say I have, I might... why, I might say something to you. And then where would be?

Possibly true, but we awful double-standard moderators would probably look at the other user's preceding posts to see how this had come about. And then we'd kick his arse instead, for being a nasty little troll.