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Splitter
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Zac, you have great taste in Western animation.
That said, have you seen Moral Orel? If not, watch Moral Orel. |
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dizzon
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Well, from what I can tell tsundere as well as moe' are just slang words with "lose" definitions that can be broadly interpreted by the individual.
What's the broadest meaning of tsundere? From what I can tell its to be kind and/or well-meaning on the inside while acting rougher on the outside(defense mechanism), whether that's bitchy, angry, self-absorbed or even sarcastic. Holo(or Horo) does give Laurence a hard time(not all the time). We all see character traits with different levels of severity, if someone see's her interactions as something that falls under the broad meaning of tsundere I can't dispute that. But I would argue it would be a very mild case. I personally don't think she would fall in this category but would understand if someone else felt she did....I have always been more forgiving of strong or somewhat abrasive personality. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
 Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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OK if we're gonna get all super pedantic
OK, what I saw was a girl who was kind of a bitch a lot of the time. OK so she's "teasing", and I guess to you someone who is constantly acting like a bitch, then saying "ha ha just kidding I'm not really a bitch!!" is still pretty annoying and bitchy. The minute we used the word 'tsundere' I knew the forums would fill up with Otaku Vocabulary Police nitpicking the usage to death. It doesn't even seem to mean the same thing to more than two people at a time so forgive myself for not immediately assuming your personal interpretation is the 100 percent correct version.
How is this NOT completely subjective? You felt that way about the series, I certainly didn't and there are plenty of other people in this thread, via email and twitter who didn't either and shared my confusion over the show's premise and popularity. This is no more valid than me saying "How could you not understand why people love Naruto??" and then linking to one of my critics' positive reviews of the series as "proof" or "evidence". All of this is extremely subjective. |
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Shadowrun20XX
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It recaps the first season. You got right to the good part and stopped. And if people shared your opinion on twitter... they missed it too.. 
Don't focus on the inane coin chatter, it's just a detour. |
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Charred Knight
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So what your saying is that your right and everyone else is wrong? Fantastic If people don't like something, than they don't like something. Their is nothing that anyone can say that could make me like Evangelion (the tv series at least), Code Geass, or Dear S. I just don't like those three series. |
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fuuma_monou
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Porn comics in general don't seem to sell very well in the U.S. Doubt you'll find H manga in big-chain bookstores, which leaves comic shops ans online retailers. Then there's all the obscenity cases, which the average comic shop or creator can't handle (which is why we have the CBLDF). In contrast H anime is part of the healthier adult video market. Heard a few stories of anime porn being shelved in the children's section, but not so much about criminal prosecution. |
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animepuppy
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Turthfully, I thought Spice and Wolf was awful.
But that's IMO |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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rainbowcourage
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Part of the problem with Spice & Wolf is that it's been overhyped. I love the show a lot, but you have to appreciate its simplicity. The economics are there as a backdrop so that Horo and Lawrence have something to do while they're traveling around becoming buddies--and they are often interesting. The basics are dumbed down enough so that most people can follow the transactions, and they can be used for dramatic plot revelations/conflicts when necessary.
The true joy in the show, however, is the playfulness of the two leads--and if you don't like them, you're not going to like the show. (There's also this lovely atmosphere which flits between light-heartedness and an edge of melancholy--I mean, how is it ever going to work out between a deity and a human?) Horo's appeal I think I can explain, although do not ask me what the "obsessed" men are thinking. First, I am not trying to police. I just like precision. To me, the term moe implies a kind of stupid, sweet innocence, which means that naturally someone has to protect said female. I think what you meant by "moe" might just mean Horo's vulnerability at times, a vulnerability which rarely surfaces, and for that reason makes her more appealing. But, unlike a "tsundere," she isn't a "bitch" (I never saw her as bitchy, but then I'm female so I guess guys would see it differently) in self-defense, or to hide her own vulnerability or insecurities. She messes with Lawrence at first because it's entertaining (I mean, she's been living in a grain of wheat for how long?) and then because she likes him. So anyway, her broad appeal comes from drawing from both those tropes in really likable ways--she's a strong female lead with lots of resourcefulness, she's got a temper but it's not out of control, and she's cute and clever and vulnerable (at times). Maybe I'm vindictive because I really enjoy the way she teases Lawrence (and by season two he's quipping right back). But if you don't like her, chances are you're not going to like the show. And obviously Spice and Wolf isn't everyone's cup of tea. If you like plot or action over character development, or if you aren't a plain old romantic at heart, then this really isn't the show for you. |
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Pandadice
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he didn't judge it by 3/4ths of it's cover. He judged it by 5/6ths (though I thought he said he'd seen ep 11 O_o) of it's entirety if you've gotta waste roughly 4 hours to get through the cover, then it's definitely not worth the time. <.< plus saying "well, even if you didn't like the first 10, the last 2 eps of the 12 ep series are truly what makes it amazing", that is ridiculous... honestly... |
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neocloud9
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I really agree with everything you just said, but especially this last part. I'll admit to being a bit of a hopeless romantic and I forget sometimes how much that can affect the emotional impact a show has on me. In this case, it really worked. |
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hakojo
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I disagree - I love good character development and I'm an utterly hopeless romantic, but Spice and Wolf felt like an incredible waste of my time. The characters were tired, annoying stereotypes, and I hate when a story tries to build up a relationship when it's obvious that the relationship won't go anywhere but back downhill once the people involved actually get together. I'd rather see a real romance that would actually last - otherwise what's the point of building up to it? The whole series just came off as incredibly shallow. |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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For one, you've got to finish it to understand. Obviously most of you never did. So Oh, well.  No big loss right.
I agree with what Rainbowcourage said that this show isn't for everyone. It's a laid back series that doesn't need big flashy things or intense situations to keep it's audience entertained. It also has a romance to it that if you don't pay attention,you would probably be bored to death. |
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ikillchicken
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See though, to most people it does not matter how good it gets in the last two episodes. If for ten episodes I sit there thinking 'I am bored out of my mind' then what happens in the last few episodes is largely irrelevant. That will still be a pretty terrible series in my view. Even if the ending turns out to be absolutely fantastic, at most that means is a slightly less awful series. Two episodes of fantastic and 10 episodes of crap still averages out to pretty darn crappy. This holds true even if you put a bit more weight on the latter episodes. To be honest, I think you know this. It's all very easy to insist that others should stick with a show you like. Yet I'm sure you're happy to drop series that you aren't enjoying and are still happy to say why you didn't like it. |
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maaya
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mh? How can you tell that it won't last? To me Spice and Wolf is one of the few animes where the romantic relationship really did advance quite a lot in a few episodes (compared to others where they never get any closer to each other for a whole season and maybe it might end with a kiss and you never see anything after that ever) and it continues to advance till now, while they face the obvious problem of her being a deity while he is a mortal human. And we'll hopefully see how this continues in the third season 
The end of Spice and Wolf is definitely nice and worth watching, especially if you have already tortured yourself with 10 episodes, you might as well watch the last good ones at least 
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