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NEWS: Sentai Adds 3rd You're Under Arrest TV, Yozakura, Tayutama

? Why should you get your money back? If you buy the latest Hollywood release on dvd, the store is supposed to give you your money back? You can walk out of a movie & get your money back, but you need to walk out before the movie ends.

I thought it was Power corrupts. It costs so damned much to get into ofc, more than any salary they earn, so it's power & kickbacks. We're well past the idea of citizen politicians.

But why should this model have evolved?
Does it exist in any other form of entertainment?
And I see more & more people going for streaming on the official sites nowadays, dude.

I don't want cheap. I want a certain amount of quality for my money so I'm willing to pay a decent price. I understand the concept something that airs on tv has made a certain amount of its money & thus the dvds can sell cheaper bs something that was made as a pay-per-view or straight to dvd. I don't shop Walmart because my experience is things I buy there don't last as long as things bought elsewhere.

And if a studio brings over a title I know had a snowball's chance in hell of being licensed, I am willing to pay a bit more.

That dose not always work even if you do and you can forget it if you buy a DVD or game,

the industry wants it all their way, and for the most part has got it they got their inf copy rights they got their nit picking over distribution they managed to make media different than other retail and removed the right of return of bad products so why should I bother to pay for media when it dose everything it can do to do less for more.

The industry has made its bed and I have decided that we are better off if implodes and is replaced by something more efficient and affordable not only for the consumer but for those in business as well.

Power dose corrupt but in a democracy(republic or otherwise) its more due to the lack of power the people have alot of power even still but refuse to use it thus those in power are able to do so mcuh more to gather power for them and theirs leaving the people to complain but little else.

So you are saying a stagnant and monopolistic business model dose not have to change to meet the times to stay in business?
Its like saying an authoritarian government dose not have to change just aim more guns at the populace....

The cheap I am referring to is a business model that keeps to cost and is able to hedge itself against popularity, not grab anything it can and sell it as mindlessly....

You balance price V cost you don;t change the dub much as its an all in one but that will always be were all your cost and price issues come from so you hedge against it with ad rev based streaming,direct ep sells and cheap sub dvds as well as bring in as much of the surrounding product(OST ,charatcer OST,ect) as you can and sell them anyway you can. But since media licensing wants alot of money up front its hard to do that, if things were more based on profit and less on assumed worth then things would be able to sell and profits would flow alot more than they are. But its going to be a long time before media licensing gets out of teh dark ages....

The trouble with domestication is 3 fold the dubs ability to garner support from the sheeple, the subs ability to not piss off more hardcore anime fans and get them interested enough to buy(Shaman kings domestic release is a joke and then some....) and the ability of the over all production not to lose money.

While we are at this do mind if I ask you what you feel about copyright? IMO it should focus on profit if someone is distributing and is not making a profit (via unlicensed ad rev,donation or direct sale) then they can not be touched but if they are making money from it then they must submit to the media industry. This still makes 60-80% of today file shearing illicit. And fan groups will have to find a different way to survive since donations=profit.

I take it you're under 30?
Believe it or not, we the people screwed up return policies--not Hollywood. Back in the 80's we had some excellent return policies-often didn't even need a receipt. Several stores put stock in customer satisfaction. I worked at Montgomery Ward then & we took back a lot of stuff that was obviously months old & well used. I knew a guy who bragged he was responsible for Lane Bryant dropping their policy which was wonderful & I honestly loved it. They wanted the customer to be satisfied so they took stuff back-no questions asked. What that guy did was take back clothes his wife had worn-gotten fair use out of-2, 3, 4 yrs after the clothes had been bought claiming he was not happy & wanted a refund of the full amount & got it.
Human nature killed return policies. Too many people would bring back a movie having watched it saying they didn't want it.

Whoa there.
What does "the industry" have to do with return policy?
Return policy is based on business pratice company by company. Defective product is always replaceable, even if it takes a trip to small claims court to fight with a business owner that doesn't recognise that fact.

We're not all into anarchy.
If I want a movie the day it's released, I'll probably be able to pick it up for around $15. If I wait a bit, I can probably get it for $10. If I wait more, I can probably get it for $5
You seem to think it should be $5 the first day.

We get the government we deserve. How many people turn out to vote? Maybe half? So if a candidate wins with barely half the vote of half the voters, it's not really the voice of the people other than the people have spoken saying they can't be bothered to take the 15 minutes it takes to vote to cast that vote.

An anime company making an honest return on the investment of time & money they put into a product is equal to a corrupt government?
Why does this model only apply to anime? Why should it be ok for someone to take their product from them, alter it(subtitles) & put it on the net for free?

This is a bit incoherant. I couldn't follow the language usage.
If I look for a deal on a movie that was huge box office, I'll probably be able to get a better deal than on a smaller title because the studio has estimated it will sell a certain number of copies. Since they figure they'll sell maybe half as many of an obscure but totally worthy title I might want, they'll ask more money.
Dub costs vary on whether you use union workers or not for one. The translation is based on the skill of the translator & then someone has to turn it into coherant english for the subs, and then the company selling it may feel the need to jazz it up. A title with a large cast is likely to cost a bit more to dub, don't you think?

Excuse me? I'm a widow. I do not have money to burn, but I also understand fair value. Back in the '80's Safeway had a commercial-"You work an honest day. You want an honest deal" Yeah, I love a bargain as much as the next person, but I respect the fact the seller needs to make a fair profit.

Where you at? We didn't get a Shaman King release here. That made a stab at releasing a couple dvds, but it fell buy the wayside with the YuGiOh dvds.
It's their bat & ball. If you don't like it, you don't buy it. That doesn't justify stealing it via fansubs.

I view art as a tangible thing just like anything anyone makes. I see no difference between a fence & a story. Someone slaved to make both, but one can go to jail for stealing a fence while downloading a fansub is supposed to be ok?
No.
I have no problem whatsoever with the person who wrote that story retaining the right to his/her words forever. If that person built a house, that house could be deeded to his/her survivors. If the creator sells the house, the person who bought it has the right to do with it as the buyer sees fiut. Someone couldn't break a window & let people stay in the rooms against the owner's will,so why should it be ok for fansubbers to violate anime makers in a similar fashion?

We are getting way way off topic here. Let's try and keep this discussion limited to the titles listed and the announcement, instead of turning this in to a broad political or economic discussion.

Bah sub only sucks. Never bought a single sub only, my massive collection is dub for a reason so I can watch and listen to something! I speak English so that's what I want to hear plain and simple. And there's a reason why sub only titles sit on shelves for months/years never being sold, the average person isn't going to purchase something with a language they can't understand. I'll watch it in Japanese with subs if the dub actually completely sucks, but that's about it.

Raider4000 wrote:

Bah sub only sucks. Never bought a single sub only, my massive collection is dub for a reason so I can watch and listen to something! I speak English so that's what I want to hear plain and simple. And there's a reason why sub only titles sit on shelves for months/years never being sold, the average person isn't going to purchase something with a language they can't understand. I'll watch it in Japanese with subs if the dub actually completely sucks, but that's about it.

Your average person isn't buying anime regardless.

[i]Bingo we haz a winner!
The US industry needs to realize this and cater to fans more, without the added cost of dubbing, since that is were the cost is make dubbing something only for stuff run on TV or something that has the time and money to do a proper dub. These quick dubs with loose translations is where all the profits are going....

Hannish Lightning wrote:

[i]Bingo we haz a winner! The US industry needs to realize this and cater to fans more, without the added cost of dubbing, since that is were the cost is make dubbing something only for stuff run on TV or something that has the time and money to do a proper dub. These quick dubs with loose translations is where all the profits are going....

If that does ever happen then the anime industry would become more niche than it already is.

Ya but at least they could afford to bring over more shows, bacily they have to build the fan base and interest correctly and not waste so much time and profit on treating it like a US medium that caters to US whims(look at how poorly US comics do when they target one single demographic). Anime is a niche in the US because they treat it like cartoons and comics in the US.....

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Ya but at least they could afford to bring over more shows, bacily they have to build the fan base and interest correctly and not waste so much time and profit on treating it like a US medium that caters to US whims(look at how poorly US comics do when they target one single demographic). Anime is a niche in the US because they treat it like cartoons and comics in the US.....

When do they treat anime as cartoons?

Hannish Lightning wrote:

Quote: Ya but at least they could afford to bring over more shows, bacily they have to build the fan base and interest correctly and not waste so much time and profit on treating it like a US medium that caters to US whims(look at how poorly US comics do when they target one single demographic). Anime is a niche in the US because they treat it like cartoons and comics in the US..... When do they treat anime as cartoons?

Most of the dubs on TV are treated as cartoons, or a medium meant for kids not kids,teens and adults. Even the ones that are more targeted at teens and adults are dubed with a mindset to dumb it down so kids can understand it.

What I am getting at the way they dub things is all wrong they are trying to force the show on the demographic instead of doing ti better so that people will flock to it.