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Lycosyncer
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What? They both appeal to the same crowd where it's cool to sexualize little girls to back as far as kindergarten? That's just going too far and don't be ridiculous. The difference between the two is pretty obvious. For one, I would definitely feel safe in showing Hanamaru Kindergarten to kids because it really does show the innocence of the main kid protagonists without going too far. Crushes on teachers is normal for the little ones but it's only showing that it's just a phase. But Kodomo no Jikan? After watching the first episode alone, not a chance! To say they both appeal to the same audience because they have little girls as the main characters is like saying Hamtaro (little kid show) and Ebichu (hentai) appeal to the same age demographic just because they both feature cute critters with kiddie designs. I hope you're being sarcastic. |
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DTJB
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If...and I mean a major IF...this thing passes, I could see a manga artist strike happening. The repercussions from that alone would be crazy.
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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And what do you suppose the manga artists, who already make very little honestly, on strike would do for income? How do you expect them to make a living and even buy food or pay rent if they're on strike? Don't see it happening even if a bill such as this gets passed. |
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CCSYueh
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Take a step back & take a deep, cleansing breath. The problem with the UN's idea of protecting children is it does NOTHING to protect children. The reason real world children should be precious is they are future adults-the next generation. Children are pre-adults oon their way to becoming adults who will be the cogs (doctors, blue collar, white collar, whatever). Virtual children never, ever, ever have to become virtual adults. Look at Charlie Brown. Thus the line being handed out by the UN is paranoid at the least & insane at the most. http://digital.asiaone.com/Digital/News/Story/A1Story20081204-105512.html
Images in cartoons & comic books infringe upon the dignity of children? Images in cartoons & comic books infringe on the human rights of children? How? The only thing this brings to mind is the old idea that photos/representations somehow have some sort of power over the real person & thus destroying a picture of someone harms that person, but I thought most of the modern world had outgrown such thinking. Infringing on the dignity of children? Isn't Lucy pulling that ball away from Charlie Brown for the millionth tiime infringing on the dignity of roundheaded little boys? How about Snoopy dragging Linus around by his blanket? (Oh no! Child Abuse!). We won't get into Pigpen's filthy living standards. These are not real children. Their feelings cannot be hurt. They have no dignity beyond what their (most likely adult) creator gives them. The Charlie Brown crew, with their creator deceased, will never become virtual adults & thus productive members of virtual society. Their virtual parents will always have to provide for them. http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php
So the Asiaone article is hysterical about 1 million images of child porn on the net while this recent study shows the 4 states with the least internet access saw a rise in rape while the states with the most internet access saw a decline in rapes which suggests maybe visual images might prevent actual crimes. It would seem virtual child porn would be preferable to making images of real children since virtual children have their consent granted by their creator & obviously don't care. I would gamble most are created to perform specific roles in the story. |
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DTJB
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Well, middle class work is always an option. But you never know, artists could get some sort of support from their publishers. Just tossing ideas around. |
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vashfanatic
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That's a misconception. The national age of consent is very low, but individual prefectures universally raise it higher. Anyway, yay! Let the bill die! Or let it be reworded so that it actually does some good, like trying to crack down on porn that involves children as models rather than anything that might possibly be sexual with a character that might possibly be under 18. I agree that this stuff is pretty damn disgusting, but I don't think there's any way to legislate it out of existence, not without causing far more harm than good. |
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Joe Mello
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This may be an indicator that the bill is DOA already. Tabling it to June while holding "discussions" is likely a way to quietly remove the bill from the public consciousness and save face at the same time.
IIRC, the DPJ rose to power in a whirlwind election similar to what the US had in November 2008. Now that the honeymoon is over and nothing has really changed, I can imagine the Japanese feeling disenchanted. |
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Emerje
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There won't be a strike, but there may as well be between some titles being canceled (too difficult to conform to new rules), titles getting pulled from stores, and time needed to basically reassess the entire entertainment industry. "Virtual" doesn't just effect manga, it also effects anime, video games, and a lot of merchandise (the body pillow industry would fold!
 ). But real children is another story so I guess those "junior idol" videos would still be legal, but the virtual equivalent would be illegal. It's like Japan wants the entertainment industry to collapse.
Maybe if that happens they'll fill the time with Library Wars just to make a point. Emerje |
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Joe Mello
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I approve. I wonder if we could move to outlaw Minimoni (or just about all of Hello Project) if the bill passes |
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maylin
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If this awfull Bill gets passed people should protest and sign petitions and stuff like that. mabey that would help?
but lets hope it does not pass. |
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NGK
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STOP or water down this Tokyo Bill the way the Republicans and moderate Democrats are doing right now to prevent Hussein Obama and his Democratic Socialists from creating government run health care! |
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jr240483
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hopefully this issue wil finally and absolutely stay dead cause there's difference between real and not real.
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Paploo
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I wish anime forums would stop giving me the feeling I've walked into a NAMBLA meeting lately. Sorry folks, but really, watching this stuff be defended over and over again vigorously by numerous fans is pretty unsettling. I imagine this comment will attract ire, but seriously, I'll be quite happy when this controversy is long gone, and hope that eventually Japan does enact some kind of law that targets the truly disgusting, hardcore material.
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hissatsu01
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It must be difficult waging a battle against hordes of straw men. |
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egoist
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NAMBLA doesn't hold any meetings anymore. But, yeah, sorry if we make you feel bad by defending the future of anime and how a bill that could ban any young(perhaps even those 30-year-old who look young) fictional character from acting [fictionally] obscenely. Hard to see a real bill affecting something fictional, but perhaps if they were to create a fictional bill, then, yes, perhaps. "10 years within a fictional jail if you ever draw a fictional underaged character's testicles".
Nobody is forcing you to watch it. Get ahold of yourself, man. You see, I also find acts such as masturbating truly disgusting, but it's not like I'll call for a new law banning my neighbours' kids from doing so. How fair is it? Why does it even matter? I know that it certainly does exist, and that it's there, perhaps happening as we speak, but it's out of my sight, and nobody is forcing me to see it. Yes, it'd be truly fair to want, and force the kids to stop doing something truly disgusting. Yet, if things keep going like they are, one day I'll be jailed for saying something this obscene. |
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