Forum - View topicNEWS: Tokyo's 'Nonexistent Youth' Bill Officially on Hold
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Drunk_Samurai
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Yeah because everybody knows that hentai makes people kill. You know. It's so common. Which is why everybody in Japan is dead since it automatically makes people kill. |
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CCSYueh
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??? This bill is most likely peer pressure (UN pressuring Japan to do something about exploiting children thru porn even though the children are imaginary.) I happen to be one of those who have been hoping the Health Care bill would have gone thru, although I really would have preferred there to have been a public option, but the Republicans killed that for now. I fail to see why national healthcare would destroy the US when a majority of the other industrialized nations in this world have it in some form & our healthcare IS NOT the best in the world. We rank something like 35. We can do better. The only similarities would be the conservatives screaming death, destruction, doom & gloom could be compared to the UN's stance that images of fake children in some manner affect real kids not unlike the idea that end of life counseling equals killing grandma or that people will be forced to undergo sex change or to have abortions just because the insurance pays for them. (I've heard this asserted on talk radio) The hysteria in other words remains the same. |
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zargas
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http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/explanation-of-hijitsuzai-reform-proposal-1 has a good summary of the effects and the forces behind this public decency bill.
The "Making Of" section mentions a number of right-wing social pressures, including the Japanese Association of Christian Women for Moral Reform, and the Japanese Comittee for UNICEF (which interestingly enough is not formally tied to the UN, but is actually an independant lobbying and law group. Hence "for UNICEF" and not "of UNICEF"). Also particularly damning is that during the bill-creation process, the drafters completely ignored all collected responses and comments from the Japanese publishing organizations, leading to the current sweeping bill that targets even non-pornographic works. |
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Mohawk52
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Oscar the Grouch
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In this situation I took the liberty of bolding what the case was. I'm sorry but the way the human mind works and the way sexual deviants mature in terms of the rise of their crimes, and the gravity of them, simply seeing some mange/anime image is not going to magically turn someone into a pedophile or other form of sexual deviant. It just simply does not work that way despite what people would like to believe. Plus in this case the bill was not even aimed at obvious sexual situations or sex itself. No, it was open ended and general enough to include ANYTHING remotely seen as sexual down to a panty shot. The wording of the bill was simply horrendous with it's vague and general language. Hell even the original title was misleading as well. I'm glad it's on hold because the bill needs some MAJOR work done to it to where it would even be feasible to enforce to start with, let alone not a blatant case of thought policing and censorship. I'm all for protecting our kids but I prefer my protection to be realistic and actually helpful. This bill would have been neither. |
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Mohawk52
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I've never said it should have passed as is. I can see it's a work in progress. I'm talking about the very concept of it in Japan.
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Drunk_Samurai
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I didn't know sarcasm had an age. It doesn't matter what one person may do. The majority do not do anything. If people do something it is not because of media. It is because they were already screwed up to begin with.
I didn't know that claiming a picture is child porn could be a work of progress. |
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zargas
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If you research the history of the bill, you'll see that it never was a "work in progress" to begin with (and probably never will be given that they're trying to gloss over the manga creators' protests as a "misunderstanding"). When the bill was being created, all suggested changes from the public were completely ignored. The backers of this bill aren't actually interested in being reasonable; they were soliciting public comments to merely give the illusion of compromise and discussion. This is actually an old political trick where you basically give mere lip service to cooperation, while in reality try to sneak in something unacceptable and self-serving. |
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Anymouse
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I have to admit that looking at some of the supporters of this bill is somewhat disturbing. But I do not find Governor Ishihara as bad as some would see him. I find that there are many people who do not see society as a hierarchical relationship between individuals, especially libertarians and liberals. I myself considered libertarianism for several years but have begun to move away from it. I do not think it can give the deep spiritual satisfaction that conservatism provides. Part of the reason why I would support the kinds of restrictions this bill provides for is because I do not think that freeing some individuals desires is ultimately beneficial to individuals in general. When people are taught to be independent and satisfy only their own desires and sentiments then they are separated from the power of family, charities, churches and the extended family. When they are so separated then the government begins to encroach and replace the functions of the preceding institutions with the welfare state, taxation and regulations which increase alienation rather than reduce it. I think that in some ways individualism is just a method of enhancing government power and alienation. Therefore I can see good reasons for any law that enhances the power of traditional conservatism and weakens modern individualism. I am still somewhat wary of a bill supported by feminists, but that doesn't mean that this bill is completely bad. After all, feminists also support food.
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CCSYueh
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So PUNISH that person. We cannnot bubblewrap the world to prevent all harm from happening. We have to allow a certain amount of freedom-give criminals enough rope to hang themselves with, but also give decent citizens the ability to make decisions they can feel good they made at the end of the day.
But that is no longer the case. Every Cause has supporters who have the ability to scream at their political representative. Politicians are worried about getting re-elected anymore so they are often all to willing to go for easy fixes-lip service to fixing problems rather than actually fixing them. Increase police forces rather than community support groups that can help prevent a kid from getting in trouble. Enact stricter laws that punish everything under the sun even if there is no proof that the law being enacted will actually do any good. I'm sure all those wacky laws people trot out for a laugh-like it's illegal in some state to put a yard sale sign in one's yard, or one can't feed peanuts to an elephant on certain days or in certain places had a reason to exist. They are stupid & pointless now & really probably resulted from one person being stubborn about something. I remember as a child being taught how horrible porn was, that it cause men to rape women or have affairs. The facts pointing the opposite direction never seems to stop the ultra-conservative types from trying to ban it. I still say there is no proof images of non-existant children causes real children to be harmed outside a narrow range of whacko cases any more than images of naked women cause rapeexcept in those who are already of that mindset. The criminals commiting the crimes need to be stopped. There's no reason for a perfectly normal, healthy individual to be burdened with these restrictions aimed at a minority of offenders |
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Anymouse
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[1]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.html |
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Mohawk52
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Ah but you see society is usually defined as those that are in the majority, the one's in power to make bills such as this into laws. A "traditional" society is mostly always a conservative society called so because they strive to conserve traditions. BTW this isn't about just porn in generic terms, also "we" are not Japanese, and so can not debate this in the Diet therefore however "we" feel about this bill is irrelevent to it's passing, or not.
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