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NEWS: Osaka Considers Regulating Boys-Love Materials


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:27 pm Reply with quote
It's a completely different issue to put the buzz on regulation in order to prevent minors from obtaining certain adult oriented materials (which is what they are implying) and attempting to crack down on the production of art that depicts the exploitation of minors.

Focusing on preventing minors from getting certain materials applies to ANY adult-oriented media, whether it is gay, straight or otherwise sexually explicit in nature.

This just seems to be surfacing due to the now apparent pressure by the international community to target Japan for the apparent but overblown issue of non-existent youth victims in manga, video games and anime. It's really getting quite ridiculous and I would really like information on what I can do to help stop all this blinded, egocentric knee-jerking by people who can't mind their own business.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:30 pm Reply with quote
Isn't Osaka the Japanese Texas? i can see why they would make this decision.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:42 pm Reply with quote
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Homosexuals have always been among the "concerned citizens" favorite punching bags, so they are suggesting that the real target is not freedom of speech but "those filthy deviants who are out to molest your children".
This is not really targeting gays in any way. The intended audience for BL and josei is straight, which is why bara exists (a genre focusing on the small segment of the population who are gay), but bara rarely if ever depicts characters who even look like they are under the 20-30 age range.

It would be way too much of a stretch to find groups who lobby against gay marriage or GBLT equality are the same ones who are putting the pressure on Japan to have more consideration for child welfare and advocacy. I would think those groups would rather like to avoid the accusation of being radical right-wing and homophobic.
v1cious wrote:
Isn't Osaka the Japanese Texas? i can see why they would make this decision.
I don't think such an analogy is very rational. One could come up with that assumption because in dubbed anime Osakans are often given a southern accent, but that's completely unrelated to (and I would consider rather conceited - even if you are from TX) whether people from Osaka tend to be more old-fashioned or implying they are the "rednecks" of Japan.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:59 pm Reply with quote
Past wrote:
Nemo_N wrote:
Homosexuals have always been among the "concerned citizens" favorite punching bags, so they are suggesting that the real target is not freedom of speech but "those filthy deviants who are out to molest your children".
This is not really targeting gays in any way. The intended audience for BL and josei is straight, which is why bara exists (a genre focusing on the small segment of the population who are gay), but bara rarely if ever depicts characters who even look like they are under the 20-30 age range.

It would be way too much of a stretch to find groups who lobby against gay marriage or GBLT equality are the same ones who are putting the pressure on Japan to have more consideration for child welfare and advocacy. I would think those groups would rather like to avoid the accusation of being radical right-wing and homophobic.


Then why only target the comics that have gay characters in them? And intended audience shouldn't matter honestly. That isn't relevant at all. That's likes suggesting only women are affected by romance films being banned. Also suggesting gay people shouldn't be concerned that gay content is being banned, whether sexually suggestive or not, is ludicrous and a rather heterocentrist thing to say. If it's adult content (iow sex is shown in detail) just restrict it's purchase to adults. Very simple. If it's just guy/guy romance stories than suggesting it should be regulated is purely homophobic.

Also child advocacy has nothing to do with content made for adults. The same arguments have been made here, and it's all about shoving someone else's values down your throat.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:28 pm Reply with quote
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i love it on how they are only thinking about regulating shonen ai and not the hardcore hentai or bara.


They start with something like this because it is easier to pass, since there are plenty of homophobics who won't object. They are also figuring that fujoshi won't speak up, and it is unlikely that otaku will defend the fujoshi, since there is no love lost in that quarter.

Once they pass the laws against BL and shota stuff, then they use that as a precedent to go after all the hentai, bara, loli, etc. that usually attracts more vocal opposition.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:34 pm Reply with quote
So wait J-Syxx are you directing these questions at me (ie also calling me heterocentrist)? Your comments express and reflect pretty much the same as what I said, but it seems like you are disagreeing with something.

Maybe I should clarify. I'm simply saying that material with gay content being restricted does not specifically mean any specific group or sexual orientation itself is being harassed (do you really believe otherwise???). The intent for the activists is to protect children, if they believe what they doing is right, then they would not want to attract negative attention by seemingly targeting gays in particular.

Actually, in retrospect, out of all the popular media that has come out of Japan, yaoi and BL are occasionally the most blatant and unabashed expressions of homophobia out there. But I strongly oppose pretty much all forms of restrictions on artistic expression.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:19 pm Reply with quote
Well, first of all, the idea of pissing off a bunch of BL-loving fangirls would terrify me if I were in on this proposal... then again, I don't really know if they're as terrifying in Japan as they are at my local con...

Secondly, since this would only affect Osaka, and it's mainly restricting this kind of stuff for sales to minors, I'm not too concerned. In fact, I honestly think kids shouldn't be reading that kind of stuff.

I will say if other politicians decide to use this as a way to spread the idea of no minors in BL or yaoi comics around Japan, though, they better allow all comics with that stuff in it to finish their circulation. I'd be pretty pissed if 5 years from now or something I find out I won't be able to read the end of Kuroshitsuji or Loveless because of some new law.

Though I honestly believe that last paragraph is a worst-case-scenario/overly paranoid concern. I'm not too worried about this.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:08 pm Reply with quote
Past wrote:
So wait J-Syxx are you directing these questions at me (ie also calling me heterocentrist)? Your comments express and reflect pretty much the same as what I said, but it seems like you are disagreeing with something.

Maybe I should clarify. I'm simply saying that material with gay content being restricted does not specifically mean any specific group or sexual orientation itself is being harassed (do you really believe otherwise???). The intent for the activists is to protect children, if they believe what they doing is right, then they would not want to attract negative attention by seemingly targeting gays in particular.

Actually, in retrospect, out of all the popular media that has come out of Japan, yaoi and BL are occasionally the most blatant and unabashed expressions of homophobia out there. But I strongly oppose pretty much all forms of restrictions on artistic expression.


Yes, specifically banning material because of the portrayal of same sex relationships is extremely homophobic and it does absolutely discriminate. This would be like suddenly banning mixed race couples in comics or something along those lines becuase people think they are perverted. I really don't give a f*** if they say they're doing it for children. That can be cover for anything. The KKK says they are doing things for the children as well. If they don't want to come off as homophobic, than restrict sexual content in everything just for being sexual. To only target yaoi and not lolicon is homophobic and is absolutely sexist as well since you've said that females read these books. So women aren't allowed to read sexual content, and men are? Freaking awesome. If you don't see the bias in this, both homophobic and sexist you are delusional. Of course women in Japan are looked down upon by sexist men for yawning in public, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:30 pm Reply with quote
Are you for real? I never encouraged the regulation of any type of erotic material. Did you miss my last paragraph from my previous post? I'm strongly against the solicitation of censorship in all forms. How is it heterocentrist if I disagree banning gay porn will ONLY be perceived as lashing out against gays? Yaoi/BL is homophobic anyway but because it is primarily of interest to straight women, the ones who should be concerned are straight women. But I don't exactly support that either because all genres have universal appeal to some degree (meaning people who read yaoi/BL are black, white, male, female, gay, straight, bi, trans, ugly, pretty, whatever). I find it homocentrist (no better than heterocentrist) to say banning yaoi should ONLY be of particular concern to gays and no one else.

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To only target yaoi and not lolicon is homophobic and is absolutely sexist as well since you've said that females read these books. So women aren't allowed to read sexual content, and men are?
You're only making sense if you are trying to contradict yourself here. Women (in addition to men, heterosexual and otherwise) read yaoi which is sexual and graphic. Your point (if any)?

BTW I'm transgendered and pansexual, so I find it very arrogant for someone to pin me with a degrading label such as heterocentrist when I'm not even heterosexual.
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Past wrote:
Are you for real? I never encouraged the regulation of any type of erotic material. Did you miss my last paragraph from my previous post? I'm strongly against the solicitation of censorship in all forms. How is it heterocentrist if I disagree banning gay porn will ONLY be perceived as lashing out against gays? Yaoi/BL is homophobic anyway but because it is primarily of interest to straight women, the ones who should be concerned are straight women. But I don't exactly support that either because all genres have universal appeal to some degree (meaning people who read yaoi/BL are black, white, male, female, gay, straight, bi, trans, ugly, pretty, whatever). I find it homocentrist (no better than heterocentrist) to say banning yaoi should ONLY be of particular concern to gays and no one else.

BTW I'm transgendered and pansexual, so I find it very arrogant for someone to pin me with a degrading label such as heterocentrist when I'm not even heterosexual.


Yes, supporting specifically targeting gay content to be banned to "protect children" is heterocentrist. You can absolutely be henterocentrist and not be straight. Last time I checked Larry Craig is probalby very gay and very against gay marriage. To me your argument is at least heterocentrist.

The fact that it's simply the portrayal of one particular sexual orientation and not all is what makes it homophobic. If you can't conceptualize that, I'm done arguing with you, because you're being dense. Would a news flash reading "black porn stars being banned from performing in pornography considered" not create an uproar? But then you would argue it's ok, becuase porn with black porn stars is racist becuase it's consumed 80 percent by whites and only 20 percent by blacks. >___>

Also the fact that the material has to be pornography is not mentioned at all, I'm calling bullshit out on you for even suggesting that something would have to be 100% porn with not artistic merit to be restricted.

I'm also about 100 percent sure most people who are gay and for gay rights would like to see more portrayal of gay characters in stuff even if consumed by people other then themselves. Brokeback Mountain was seen mostly by women, but I don't recall any gay people demanding the movie be taken out of theters for that fact. Yes I know some BL titles are extremely archetypal to the point of stereotyping, but others aren't, so that alone is not really a great argument against it.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:12 pm Reply with quote
Past, I don't get what you meant about BL being the most homophobic form of books coming from Japan? Have you even read any? Most of the mainstream BL books focus on gay relationships. How is that homophobic? Just wondering what you meant because I"m kind of confused at what you said.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:31 pm Reply with quote
Japan's last attempt to ban certain Hentai's faild. I'm sure this one will too.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:33 pm Reply with quote
AyumiHamasaki wrote:
Past, I don't get what you meant about BL being the most homophobic form of books coming from Japan? Have you even read any? Most of the mainstream BL books focus on gay relationships. How is that homophobic? Just wondering what you meant because I"m kind of confused at what you said.


I don't get this either, but what I've cobbled together from his bad explanations are that you have to be gay to read content with gay romance or it can only be targeted strictly at a gay audience. I think it's not too big of a stretch to say most gay people want to be accepted as part of mainstream society, so this line of argument is more than a bit ludicrous to me. I'm sure conversely Past has no issue with gay people reading/watching all the straight romance content out there, which many of them do.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:40 pm Reply with quote
Meh. At this point I don't care about whatever they want to regulate/prohibit. Actually, please do ban any underage character from ever appearing on anime, that way we might get less fanservice pantsu anime.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:42 pm Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
Meh. At this point I don't care about whatever they want to regulate/prohibit. Actually, please do ban any underage character from ever appearing on anime, that way we might get less fanservice pantsu anime.


Suggesting fanservice would disappear with older characters is a bit stupid. Do you not remember Agent Aika? Anime hyper
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