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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:38 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
That Youtube video; Just when I think I've seen it all I find I haven't. That had to be in Japan because everyone else on the other lanes paid absolutely no attention to...um...her...it...whatever. Confused Shocked

It has taught me a vital lesson. Qualities that appear charming if instantiated within the fiction of anime are less appealing when really present. Since I'm already somewhat apprehensive about "realistic" relationships, and the allure of a more hollow one has been dispelled by the video, it should seem that I'd be best continuing as I am.
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Koji98



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:41 pm Reply with quote
Takeyo wrote:
One of the better FotWs I've read lately.

lostinagoodbook wrote:
That video is the thing nightmares are made of. Shocked

As a woman, I'd love to take the mask off her face and slap some sense back into that stupid girl for humiliating herself like that .. but they'd just keep the camera rolling and call it catfight fan service right? Some days you just can't win.

Are you sure that kigurumi was actually a girl?

That particular person in the kigurumi is female.
I've suffered for obtaining this knowledge.
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reanimator





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I think all of that is important. An inbetweener who is hired to draw some frames is exchangeable; anyone with the requisite skill (and it's not much for inbetweening) can do the job. But there are only so many people on earth who is willing to trade their time and money for some crappy moe anime on DVD, and it isn't like it make sense to hire them into existence. In other words, you can't really force people to become fans. They are harder to replace than an inbetweener, an animator. But yet the fans are also generally not well-respected, why is that?



Fans don't get respect because anyone can become a fan of anything in very, very short time with no strings attached. Fans don't have to go through grueling work or training like professionals do. Fans exist because someone dedicates his or her time to make something that is very appealing to certain people.

On the other hand, professionals has to go through years of practice and experience plus they must maintain motivation to take up any challenge.

Fans are loyal, but it doesn't mean they will last forever. On creative side, fan loyalty brings stagnation which is based from assumption. Stagnation happens when creators are too comfortable with fans' taste. Let's look at current anime fandom in Japan. They have been catering to fan groups, but the industry is still hurting. Now they're figuring out that it's better to seek out new fans from non-fans than dwindling old fans. That's why we're starting to see reboots and fresh ideas in both anime and live action.

I think that J is undervaluing the importance of inbetweener. Inbetweening is a training ground to weed out dedicated professionals from the rest. If I use military analogy, it's like picking out few elites among thousands of grunts through grueling physical and mental stress. An inbetweener has to draw thousands of sheets with mediocre pay, stiff arm & wrist, no sleep, poor hygiene, and unfavorable art style. Although I don't like Moe anime, but inbetweener is an animator candidate who will draw anything that his or her future profession requires. That "anything" is not just characters and robots, but also everyday objects. To animators, Moe is just another drawing practice and work. Just like any other fad, Moe will fade away eventually. The drawing skill and professional attitude that inbetweener obtain are not replaceable.

Off topic. I think Leiji Matsumoto's female characters are so "Moe" because of their luscious eyelashes, defined nose, and slender, yet curvaceous figure.
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SerryHeart



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:32 am Reply with quote
I regularly go to Otakon and Katsucon and that's normally people of all ages. The only time I ever felt creep-ed out by an older con goer was when I saw a woman about 70ish cos-playing as Chibi-Usa (mini skirt and all [my eyes]). My only problem is that I have reached an age now where most of my college anime club buddies have moved away. I've gone to the last two cons by myself which has been less fun socially but I can't really see myself connecting with any clubs in the area. They're mostly high school to first two years of college range. Has anyone else had this problem?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:33 am Reply with quote
SerryHeart wrote:
I regularly go to Otakon and Katsucon and that's normally people of all ages. The only time I ever felt creep-ed out by an older con goer was when I saw a woman about 70ish cos-playing as Chibi-Usa (mini skirt and all [my eyes]). My only problem is that I have reached an age now where most of my college anime club buddies have moved away. I've gone to the last two cons by myself which has been less fun socially but I can't really see myself connecting with any clubs in the area. They're mostly high school to first two years of college range. Has anyone else had this problem?


Yeah, I sure have... Everyone either moved or "got a life". My current group of friends occasionally watch anime, but that's it. They just going to the con with me this year cause they want to see what it is all about...
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Petrea Mitchell



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:30 pm Reply with quote
First, a general reply: There are a bazillion fan-run conventions out there, ranging from specialist to broad-based, tiny to packed-convention-center-sized. If you don't like the one you've got, odds are there's another one nearby you can try out.

I have a list of listings to start with here.
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Petrea Mitchell



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
I went to a con once back in '02. I felt like someones parent at a high school party. Scared the bloody 'ell out of me. I avoided them like the pox up until last year when I went to a small con to see Ocean Waves last Summer. That was at a university so the fans were a bit older and anyway I had me two teenagers with me so I had a good reason.


Depending on where in England you are, you could try Eastercon (that's the 2011 one, it moves around), Novacon, ArmadaCon, or FantasyCon if you want to mix with older fans.
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Petrea Mitchell



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:47 pm Reply with quote
eyeresist wrote:
I think the reason anime fandom at cons is so young is due to how recent a phenomenon it is overall. Science fiction and fantasy fandom have been around for maybe a century.


Not quite-- since sometime in the late 1930s. (Worldcon, the oldest extant convention, was first held in 1939, but there were other gatherings around then that lay claim to being "the first convention".) Just recently enough that there are still a few people alive who remember that time...

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Anime has only developed a substantial Western fanbase in the last 15 years. If we oldies hold our nerve and don't forsake 'teh animes', eventually we'll see a broader age range at the cons, just as with the other geek pasttimes.
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Petrea Mitchell



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:57 pm Reply with quote
GracieLizzy wrote:
How common is a lower age restriction at conventions in the US? Most UK cons have them because of legal and insurance issues (as people who work in an environment with under 18s have to be Criminal Rights Bureau enhanced checked which can be pricey when every dealer, gopher and committee member needs to have it - so it's cheaper to simply limit the con to over 18s only, plus you don't need to police the hentai screenings as much).


Extremely uncommon. In fact, I don't know of any non-anime conventions in the UK that have age restrictions either. Many broad-based cons have a late-night age-restricted panel or two, and seem to be able to enforce the restrictions okay-- but that's probably easier with the smaller proportion of teenagers.

Many cons do set an age limit (usually around 12) where kids are supposed to be under responsible adult supervision at all times.

There are a couple of yaoi cons out there which are 18+ or 21+, and I can think of one more general con-- Contraception, which is a relaxacon (small, low-key).
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Petrea Mitchell



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:10 pm Reply with quote
ljaesch wrote:
I'm a 35-year-old who wishes she had a way to attend a con. Living in the Seattle area, there is a con close by, and a big one at that (Sakura-Con).

Unfortunately for me, the past two years, the convention has been scheduled on Easter weekend. As a parent with young kids, I'm ot able to get away from home that weekend to go.


So bring the kids and go to Norwescon instead. Or, if Easter weekend is totally out no matter what, you've also got Rustycon and Steamcon right there in Seattle.

If it's absolutely got to be anime and nothing but, and you have Labor Day weekend free, come on down to Kumoricon here in Portland. It is mostly teenagers, but there is also a not insignificant presence of teenagers' mothers, so you're hardly going to be the oldest one there. I'm slightly younger than you but have a ton of early gray, and no one gave me any funny looks.

If none of that will do, here's a fairly comprehensive list of PNW conventions.
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eyeresist



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:39 pm Reply with quote
SerryHeart wrote:
I've gone to the last two cons by myself which has been less fun socially but I can't really see myself connecting with any clubs in the area. They're mostly high school to first two years of college range. Has anyone else had this problem?

Yeah. I Googled for anime clubs in my city, but the only ones I found were at universities. I would've tried Meetup, but they charge now, so...


Petrea Mitchell wrote:
eyeresist wrote:
I think the reason anime fandom at cons is so young is due to how recent a phenomenon it is overall. Science fiction and fantasy fandom have been around for maybe a century.

Not quite-- since sometime in the late 1930s. (Worldcon, the oldest extant convention, was first held in 1939, but there were other gatherings around then that lay claim to being "the first convention".) Just recently enough that there are still a few people alive who remember that time...

Yes, I was exaggerating slightly - my impression was cons started after WWII. But the first science fiction fanzine started in 1930.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction_fandom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanzine
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Crystal



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:46 am Reply with quote
You know Brian, I actually WOULD like to check out your sketch group, being the sketch comedy and anime nerd that I am . . . too bad I'm not in arizona. Anime hyper
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