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Stella Women's Academy, High School Division Class C3 (TV).

Oh great, so now it's gotten to the point where apparently the only way to have character growth is to be yelled at and insulted by your leader for your team's own shortcomings.

As to your point about Yura taking the game too seriously, I don't think you actually watched that scene where spoiler[Haruna and then Sonora blow up at her for one little thing, with Sonora then holding a grudge overnight. That's taking the game too damn seriously.]

You also ignored my point about spoiler[Sonora blaming Yura for not making her (Sonora's) sacrifice count. It was unfair of Sonora to do that to her.]

Hyperbole.

I apparently watched it closer than you did because spoiler[that "grudge" you're talking about is not shown lasting overnight. The bathing scene that I presume you're referring to happened the same day, and the next time we see Sonora after that she's back to being friendly with Yura again.]

Didn't ignore it at all, just thought it was implicitly covered by my comment about spoiler[Sonora clearly being frustrated]. Yes, that may be a needlessly dramatic way to put it, but even in something that's done just for fun it's hardly out of line to get irritated when someone doesn't take advantage of an opportunity given to them.

I usually don't say anything when things are going bad, but once in a blue moon I vent my frustration on someone on my team even though I know it isn't the right thing to do.

Key wrote:

Hyperbole.

Except it isn't.

Watch again, and this actually bother to pay attention. Sonora yelled at Yura at twilight. That night they had a bath and were avoiding one another. It was only until the following afternoon that Sonora finally became friendly with her again, after Yura returned to the lodge with her new ghastly haircut (did she do it herself? It looks like it).

What opportunity? The opportunity to get slaughtered by the strongest player at the tournament who easily outwitted Sonora? Yeah, some opportunity that is.

Except it is.

Either "overnight" isn't the word you're intending to use there or you're making assumptions that have no basis in episode content.

Even if one loses badly, valuable experience can still be gained in a situation like that.

And again, if there was a real risk of her getting significantly injured in a scenario like this then I'd be entirely in favor of her surrendering. But there wasn't.

WhiteHairGirls wrote:

I usually don't say anything when things are going bad, but once in a blue moon I vent my frustration on someone on my team even though I know it isn't the right thing to do.

That's actually why I stopped playing LoL. I've been playing online games since the BBS DOOR/MUD days and I've never had to vent my frustrations at anyone. I've face-palmed at some of the stupidity I've seen but loosing my cool with them is only going to make an enemy. And it's not an "I'm older and wiser now" thing because I didn't act like that when I was (checks wikipedia) 13.

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And again, if there was a real risk of her getting significantly injured in a scenario like this then I'd be entirely in favor of her surrendering. But there wasn't.

Come on, surely you can use a better justification than something a kindergärtner would find petty. The onus is on you to explain why what I said was hyperbole. . .

It is pretty damn clear from the context that the two did not make up until Yura cut her hair and said that her resolve was renewed.

You know, context? Ever heard of it?

Yura's act of surrender, while a disappointing way to end the final for the players involved, did not warrant her leader packing a psyche and being abusive towards her. She's a newbie, playing in her first tournament, who is so green she hasn't even learned all of the basic hand signals. How would she even know that surrender was an unsportsman-like thing to do in this game in the first place? A normal person who doesn't have a stick up their arse would not be so cruel to a newbie. Not in real life face-to-face.

A lot of blah about something that isn't even relevant.

Such as? I've watched the latter part of that episode three times now. The camera never focuses on Sonora or hears her speaking at any point between the time she walks away from Yura after the tournament and when she's cheery again back in the clubhouse after spoiler[Yura cut her hair]. During that time she only appears at all in flashbacks and one brief distance shot. We don't see her facial expression change from grumpy to happy in the club room scene the next day (?), we don't hear her thoughts, we don't have any other evidence of the context you're talking about. If there is something I'm missing here that unquestionably backs up your point here, I'd sure like to hear an explanation of it.

Maybe Rin got under her skin a bit? I'm willing to entertain that possibility, as that behavior was definitely contrary to anything we'd seen from Sonora so far. But I'm also still willing to consider it as a case of "tough love." Or maybe a bit of both. Either way, the others didn't react like that and Sonora doesn't maintain it.

Like I alluded to, tough love is not the only way to get growth out of your newest and greenest player, and it certainly wasn't justified in this situation. It also could have backfired on Sonora. Yura could well have decided that she didn't want to be in a club where the leader is so verbally abusive, especially when it was her own tactical incompetence that they lost.