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HeeroTX
Joined: 15 Jul 2002
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Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:20 am
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AvatarofJustice wrote: |
I think the biggest problem with a lot of the more rabid fans of anime is that they don't seem to get that normal people may find their obsession with, say yaoi, weird. Yes, yes I know you don't care what other people think and all that, affirm your individuality and how you won't let "us" keep you "down," but in a general social setting its probably better to keep that kind of thing on a low-note unless you just want to be thought of as a complete freak. |
Actually, for a fair number of anime fans I think it's the "anonymity of the group" thing and they actually WANT to "get back" at people who think like you state above. TOO OFTEN I've heard anime fans talking about doing something in Cosplay explicitly for the purpose of "freaking out the norms" (or "mundanes" depending on their vocabulary). I'd say it's mostly "kids being kids" but I've heard it from people well into the 20s and above. I think it's more the people who at one time or another felt ostracized or otherwise excluded from the mainstream and when they get around others like themselves or feel comfortable in a place (like an anime or manga store) they retaliate for imagined (or actual) slights.
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hikaru004
Joined: 15 Mar 2004
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:42 am
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@DriftRoot: Actually colleagues gave me weird looks and comments of disbelief.
Club members challenge me on my video collection (R1s and fansubs), anime knowledge and imply "doesn't know as much as I do because.. <insert does not fit stereotype of anime otaku here>". Interestingly enough, businesses that I deal with regarding anime treat me alot better and actually respect my scope of knowledge.
I could go on and on....
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dormcat
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Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:46 am
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Iron Chef wrote: | As cool as the first couple eps of Jigoku Shoujo were, I got tired of seeing the EXACT SAME BIT every episode. Sure, there were a couple exceptions, but it was pretty much wash, rinse, repeat. |
I agree. Yet, I'd say the high popularity of Jigoku Shoujo didn't come from its plot but its voice acting, and I'm not talking about whether the performance was good or not. The formulaic story has promoted "guess which seiyuu will be sent to Hell next week" discussions and, most importantly,
能登かわいいよ能登!
Everybody loves Noto. Enough said.
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Cowpunk
Joined: 03 Nov 2004
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Location: Oakland - near the Newtype Lab
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:08 pm
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On the whole clothing thing.
The only comment I got when I attended club meetings after work in a suit was 'nice tie'.
But then again that was at Cal Animage Alpha and Carl Horn would often show up dressed in his usual suit.
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TheoryGirl
Joined: 04 Apr 2005
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Location: CT
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:13 pm
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[quote="dormcat"]
Iron Chef wrote: |
能登かわいいよ能登!
Everybody loves Noto. Enough said. |
Are you secretly Matt or what? (Probably not. He'd have used red text for sure.)
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Yokata
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
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Location: Left! No, other left!
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:56 pm
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blueharlequin wrote: | Another bookstore I go to actually shelves the yaoi manga in the "Gay, Lesbian and Transsexual" section of the store. |
but if you're an underaged yaoi fangirl, (i'm not a yaoi fan, get away from me! don't look at me like that O_O *runs away*), it would be reeeeeaaaally freaky if you had to go to that section to get your stuff... o_O
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minakichan wrote: | The hentai discussion was interesting (not that I'd know!) I think Zac's prediction about yaoi is right... WAY too many 14-year-olds out there wanting their boysmut fix... |
You got that right. I get nervous when I see 13-14-year-olds grabbing a shrink-wrapped yaoi manga and ASK THEIR PARENTS TO BUY IT! And the parents do because they don't know what it is. That's just asking for trouble, in my opinion. |
*cough*i bought fake volume 7 like that*cough*
(oh, and forgive me for the stupid question, but is 'shrink-wrapped' something with plastic wrapped around it? i'm belgian -_-)
we have yaoi in our comicshop here too. i saw fake. and kizuna, i think, shrink-wrapped, on the top shelf. only two volumes were in shrink-wrapped, though.
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aoyagi
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
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Location: Somewhere off the coast of sanity
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:10 pm
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Quote: | (note the lack of a porn section in any major video store chain) |
Actually, I work at a Borders, and we do have a porn section. Admittedly, it is in a corner, but there's no barrier between the porn and the rest of the store.
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kirtai
Joined: 07 Oct 2005
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:21 pm
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Ceru wrote: | However, I find that a lot of fans have a certain... air about them that lets you know instantly whether or not they're a fan. |
You are so right, Ceru! I can always tell when I run into "one of my people" as I call them! YOu can just tell! I agree with the rant; my situation is that I am a high school English teacher, and I just started. All of the students had a hard time believing me at first because they only see by business attire, and, not being anime fans, they have a stereotype of what anime fans look like. If I'm not wearing black and freakish makeup, and a lot of chains, I must not really be an anime fan. The one anime fan in the school though found me right away. The day I was applying for the job he walked into the office, asked why I was there, then introduced himself, saying for some reason he was sure he was going to like me. I knew instantly he was one of my people, and we are good friends now!
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blueharlequin
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
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Location: Las Vegas, NV (No, we don't live in hotels here)
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:36 pm
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Yokata wrote: | but if you're an underaged yaoi fangirl, (i'm not a yaoi fan, get away from me! don't look at me like that O_O *runs away*), it would be reeeeeaaaally freaky if you had to go to that section to get your stuff... o_O
(oh, and forgive me for the stupid question, but is 'shrink-wrapped' something with plastic wrapped around it? i'm belgian -_-) |
1) I am confident in my own sexuality that I don't care if people see me browsing that section
2) IMO there shouldn't be such a thing as an "underaged yaoi fangirl"
3) yes 'shrink-wrapped' is something with plastic wrapped around it
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Wyvern
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:46 pm
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This week's rant was a good one, and I can't help but agree fully.
Oddly enough, the scenerio she presented has happened in real life, only backwards, and I was there. Three years ago at Otakon, I was in a hotel elevator with three other fans-one in a Trigun tshirt and the other two in full costume-and a buissness suit guy. I wasn't wearing a costume or even an anime shirt, and my con badge was in my pocket, so I looked completly normal.
Anyway, once the elevator let out the costumed and tshirted folks got out first, and then the buissness guy said to me "Do these guys think it's Halloween or something?"
I responded cheerfully that I was one of "those guys" and I was willing to bet money that I was having more fun this weekend than he was at his Cardboard Box Salesman's Trade Show or whatever. He didn't say anything, but from his expression he was a bit freaked out by this revalation, certainly more than if he'd heard it from the cosplayers.
Or maybe he was just shocked by the sudden knowledge that THEY WALK AMONG US, AND THEY CAN LOOK JUST LIKE NORMAL HUMANS. TRUST NO ONE!
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evaunit00
Joined: 02 Oct 2005
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:12 pm
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I'm a otaku, and also have a job that I have to wear a tie and dress clothes to. When I tell people that I like anime, manga, and j-rock bands I get a shocked look on their faces. I truly don't care what others think of me. It's not going to stop me from enjoying what I like. And for other otakus seeing me dressed up for work, we get thought of badly out in the world I don't need people that have the same intrest as me to think of me as being any different.
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Successful_Troll
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:48 pm
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Zac wrote: | The primary qualification for the rants is that they're capable of sparking debate. |
I guess I don't get it then. Where's the anger? This rant seems more like just a mild observation. To be truthful, I'd be scared of any person that blurted out "I'm an Otaku!" unsolicited. At my local Borders I frequently see people in their sixties browsing the manga section. There's no age limit either. Come on, someone needs to do a debate that will enrage people and create a 20 page topic. Surely someone here can do that?
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hell_xtremedawg
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:07 pm
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I suppose this rant is about stereotypes. I guess I won't say anything because, hey, we've all heard it before
And ya, I'm one of those "normal looking" otaku, so I totally understand what Lauren is talking about
Ya, it's amusing to see how people react
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Defiant7
Joined: 29 Oct 2005
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:05 pm
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I have to agree with this rant. I am also one of those people that live in both worlds, I hate the glares I get when I walk into a anime convention or store with a suit and tie. I know people typically have a pre-determined vision of a otaku, but it should not be that way, maybe thats why anime will always remain a niche market. It starting to become such an exclusive club. I think anime needs more people who does not fit the standard mold. Like they say "Variety is the spice of life."
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Vikio
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:40 pm
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Well, the rant has been commented a lot by now, but I'll just add my 2cents. After the initial surprise of finding out that business-suit guy is an anime fan like me, I'd probably be more interested in talking to him about his favorite anime, opinions and so on, than the other two guys in the elevator. I mean, what's the point in talking to someone who loudly advertizes their opinion? You most likely won't hear anything new from them.
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