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Madoka Magica: Rebellion US Premiere

That is exactly what I meant by "shoving /u/-pandering into an otherwise good story".

This movie goes to absurd lengths to shove all the characters into forced pairings it HURTS (Completely invalidating Sayaka's feelings for Kyousuke spoiler[which were the whole damn reason she fell into despair], solely to make spoiler[KyouxSaya] fans happy, is one of the biggest offenders).

Dammit, Gen. You tore your series and your characters to pieces just to milk it further.

Sylontack wrote:

Quote: After Rebellion, do you have any plans for the Madoka franchise in the future? Iwakami: No, we don't have any plans. Yet Iwakami was one of the two who spoiler[had Urobuchi CHANGE the original ending to a poorer ending (in my opinion) so the franchise could be continued for more money... Just animate The Different Story if you want my money ]. Please understand I've been ranting about this everywhere I go to everyone I meet ever since I saw spoiler[the revised ending]. I am irrationally bitter about it.

Think of it this way, Madoka Magica ended with the tv series. Everything is is just crap designed to carry on a story which had correctly ended with no problems whatsoever.
As long as people are so easily conned, well Urobochi & co will continue producing crap. Just say no. But fans being fans you'll get a better chance of taking a drug addict off this drugs than a Madoka Magica fan renounce even a crap sequel ova or tv series.

Just got back from a screening in Seattle, and oh maaaaan.....

*Brain is dead*

I do not have a clue how I feel about that whole thing. The first half seemed fairly slow and unnecessary, and then spoiler[the fight with Mami kicked in and the new revelations started to trickle out, which got me thinking, 'NOW we're getting into the meat of the plot! Great! However, once the actual plot revealed itself I felt the original message of Madoka Magica became twisted. Originally it was one of hope, a 'you are never alone' sort of thing. Here, the message seems to morph into "Love makes you evil/Evil is necessary to balance Good" with the duality of Evil!Homura and Goduka, an element that wasn't even really in play in the original show (I guess an argument can be made that it was with Homura's ruthlessness contrasted to Madoka's peace-making overtures, but you cannot deny it wasn't a focal point!). This movie left a bad taste in my mouth, especially because I wanted to love it (what with the stellar animation/art, some really nice moments between the main cast before everything goes to hell).] Maybe it'll grow on me if I give it some time, but I really feel like the tv show had the better ending; sure, it may've been more open ended and vague, but it was one of hope and possibilities. This (forgive me, Madoka fans!) is a lot like End of Evangelion to me in that it is obtuse, fatalistic, and casts a different light on memories of the show that came before it. I can't say I want to follow the franchise past this, and will look on the show as the "true" ending for myself.

Once again, not meaning to offend any fans, maybe I "just don't get it," but I'm also tired and freezing, so hey, perhaps that far off second viewing will yield different results.

Random Q: spoiler[Can we officially recognize Homura/Madoka and Sayaka/Kyouko as canon, or was all that just subtext? Curious to hear other opinions on this]

On top of what I said earlier, the plot makes sense allegorically as well. spoiler[Exactly what follows the second coming of Jesus Christ? The great battle between good and evil. So what follows Madoka's second coming? The battle between good and evil (or Homura and Madoka). This was foreshadowed by Ms. Saotome early in the film when she was talking about the end of the world and the second coming of Jesus. And who better to fill the role of 'Lucifer' than Homura, really? Lucifer was someone close to God, who fell as a result of his own tragic flaws that would eventually be destined to fight God once again. Wasn't Lucifer someone who wanted to live with human desires rather than living as an angel? And let's face it; Homura is a character that's always had trouble letting go. She was never okay with the sacrifice Madoka made. If she thought letting go of her pain would mean letting go of her love for Madoka (recall that she identified her pain and suffering as 'proof' of her love for Madoka), does it really make sense that she'd give up an existence that lets her maintain that love? And psychologically speaking, a great many people that live their on the edge of danger learn to cope by loving that edge (which, again, Homura did say she'd gotten used to the pain).] I'd love to hear what other people here have to say on the matter, because none of my friends who like Madoka were able to make it to the movie.

Honestly, the definition of 'subtext' in this context has become pretty twisted. Subtext is just as valid as actual text. Just because a girl doesn't get up on a table, declare she's lesbian and wants to eat pussy all night, doesn't mean she can't be read as, or intended to be read as, lesbian.

The movie made it explicit that spoiler[Homura is doing this because she loves Madoka. That was in fact the entire goddamn point of the last act of the movie. Now, people will quibble over whether that mean she loves her 'romantically' or not...but once you've destroyed and rebuilt the entire universe solely for the sake of the person you love, mere sexuality is sorta beside the point.

As for Kyouko and Sayaka, the big deal here is Sayaka telling Kyouko that her one regret was leaving her behind. This is a really major development in general, and for Sayaka in particular. Not to mention that the intertwined fingers they had is very much a thing in lesbian subtext in general. Also in both world Homura constructed they are together, not just together but living together.

That is all 'subtext', but its not there by accident, just like how the new character who was introduced didn't just happen to be the witch Mami has been shipped with since the revelation about what witches are came out.]

That being said, its only my second favorite sequel to the TV series.

Go see one of the showings, watch the camrip or wait for it to come out on BD, but until then, kindly keep your incessant whining about how oppresed you are by yuri and yuri fans to a minimum. Its not contributing at all to the discussion.

And I have read basically everything I could on the movie. I know basically every that happens in it. I hate what I had read, why would I torture myself by actual watching a movie which I believe shat all over the original series?

Fencedude5609 wrote:

That being said, its only my second favorite sequel to the TV series.

What's the first?

I'm not doing any of that, I'm not bitching about oppression or anything like that, I'm annoyed that Gen basically shafted all of us non-yuri fans for you guys to the point of completely derailing characters.

I quite liked the movie, even though I'm not too thrilled with the exact status quo at the end.