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Koi Kaze -- how many people accept it?

I honestly can not understand why incest is such a delicate topic for some people; It's only a truly harmful thing genetically if it occurs over many generations, and kids don't magically have 3 legs or down syndrome when someone has kids with their cousin or sibling. I've come to accept it because I realized that to not accept it is blind ignorance and social brainwashing (I mean that in a very literal sense) based on superstitions from ages long past.

I avoided this series until the recent Geneon sale.

What I love is, in SPITE of all that, I was still rooting for Koshiro and Nanoka with all my heart.

When Koshiro's friend (can't remember her name, gah) spoiler[called him sick and perverted] I wanted to intercede and yell "Nooooo! It's not like that, you just don't understand!" It's an amazing series that can draw me in so successfully. They never let you forget it's a taboo romance, but in the end you just don't care. Love conquers all.

The premise could easily have led to lots fanservice and/or smut, but (thankfully) the show handled its subject matter beautifully.

Do I accept Koi Kaze? Anyway, as far as incest goes, I don't really have a problem with it. I don't flow that way but can easily respect the people that do so as long no babies are produced as a result.

Personally, Koi Kaze struck me as one of the strongest and most emotional series I'd ever seen. The idea of incest doesn't bother me all that much, although I'm not exactly comfortable with it outside of a fictional setting. As long as it isn't forced (in other words, rape) then I can't really get that worked up. I don't get it myself. I'm not attracted to my sister at all. However, I could understand how in real life someone could be attracted to their sibling, especially if they were in the same situation as the characters in Koi Kaze.

To me, rape is more sickening than murder.

I would never reject a person for having incestuous desires or having acted upon them. I try to be very open and receptive to everyone who has not actively tried to destroy someone's life, innocence, sense of security, etc.

I have absolutely no problem with the incest in anything like Koi kaze or Boku wa Imouto ni Koi wo Suru Kono Koi wa Himitsu , that was pretty good too however totally contradicting at many points, anyway I have no problem with anything as long as it makes for a good show or story or at LEAST slightly intertaining in whatever way it will be.

How does acting upon incestuous desires not “destroy someone's life, innocence, sense of security, etc?” I mean, a brother and sister of a similar age is one thing but when their ages are vastly different or when you're talking about a parent and child you're talking about an inherent betrayal of trust.

Same here. Your post was spot-on with my views as well. You've also reminded me that I'm still waiting on the Takahashi Anthology.

When you say you've come to accept it, does “it” refer to...

1.Media that simply portrays it?
2.The fact that it happens in real life?
3.The idea that nothing is wrong with it?

Richard J. wrote:

To me, rape is more sickening than murder.

Really? Why?

Richard J. wrote:

I would never reject a person for having incestuous desires or having acted upon them. I try to be very open and receptive to everyone who has not actively tried to destroy someone's life, innocence, sense of security, etc.

How does acting upon incestuous desires not “destroy someone's life, innocence, sense of security, etc?” I mean, a brother and sister of a similar age is one thing but when their ages are vastly different or when you're talking about a parent and child you're talking about an inherent betrayal of trust.

When a person's life ends, so does their suffering. A person left alive after rape suffers for the rest of their lives.

This would have to be reviewed on a case by case basis. I should have made myself clearer. Speaking strictly in terms of the scenario in Koi Kaze, I wouldn't want to cast someone out of society just for this. Depending on the age factors, it's possible to accept a parent/child situation, though typically such situations are clearly not even remotely right.

Did you actually pay attention to the show? The two were utterly miserable when apart, I don't know about you but I would never give up love for the sake of propriety. Regardless of the dynamic, the idea is that only the people directly involved can decide what makes them happy.

As for the sister, I never could really figure out why she fell for him so much, though the link to the ANN trivia posted in Bamboo's thread might explain some of it.

At the beginning of the show, before anything had happened between them, the brother was merely coasting through life. He didn't appear to be any more miserable than anyone else who had just broken up. Fact of life. We've all been dumped (well, most of us), and you simply learn to move on. There's nothing unusual about that. So he 'moves on' by taking a complete stranger on a funny sort of impromptu 'date'. Only, she's a little girl so the 'date' means different things to them based on their vastly different perspectives.

Even so, this seems to be okay with him and he appears to be able to express himself around her in ways he normally can't. You get the feeling that he's perfectly okay with robbing the cradle except, of course, that this just happens to be some sort of animated Twilight Zone and he's unknowingly robbing his forgotten sister's cradle. In other words, the guy's already a little sick in the head. He doesn't seem to enjoy the company of women his own age but little girls apparently bring out his softer side. The one and only thing he can't seem stomach (at first) is the fact that it's his sister. If it weren't for that, he'd probably have been plenty happy to have somebody else's little kid sister in his arms.

Now, the sister was already very happy and excited just to finally be around the brother she had a crush on when she first arrives. If he had even just been a regular big brother to her she would have probably been ecstatic. If only he had kindly let her know that he was unwilling to let it go any farther than just a simple crush and gave her some space without being a jerk about it, she would have probably been able to find another boy her age to get all crazy over. It's not like the brother was the only male in her life after all, and it wasn't until he started treating her like shit and making a fuss about her being around other boys before she became miserable. The fact that she was willing to stick around and take such abuse without losing faith in her sick, abusive brother doesn't bode well for her own mental state either.

I don't really dispute that the brother might remain miserable in his sad, worthless life, but who knows, maybe a few months of no contact would get him back into the swing of things with women his own age. It's not like he didn't have a ready supply of eligible women to talk with on any given day. If not, at least he wouldn't be stunting the development of his own kid sister.

In the end, even though the story was really engrossing and even though it gave me more to think about than most series do, I still do not agree that the end justified the means. This relationship is still potentially troubled on so many levels. Age difference, family relation, verbal and physical abuse, pseudo-masochism, and an unnatural level of secrecy just to name a few. The idea that the end was intended to represent some sort of 'happily ever after' is incredibly naïve in my opinion. The sister could have been happy without taking her crush to it's ultimate possible conclusion, just like any other girl. The idea that here brother was the only possible man for her just doesn't match what I believe or what I saw on the screen.

Bullshit...Oh shut up...I have no idea what the hell were you watching

No problem with anything eh? Ugg