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I don't care what x person does with y person in public or private as long as it doesn't harm me or my family, a 41 yr old guy plowing a 16 yr old girl does not harm me. These days 18+ yr olds don't seem to be mature enough to handle a sexual relationship
I don't want to get involved with girls under 18 but that doesn't mean I want everyone else to follow my rules. Do what you want, whatever floats your boat. I bet in a few centuries 14 will be the legal age around the world.
Insult me as much as you want, I will not join your "morally religious correct" hive mind.

Mohawk52 wrote:

So? What is the legal age of consent in Texas? It must be 16 for this to occur.

It's actually seventeen.

Ryu Shoji wrote:

I forgot that there is a legal definition for "creep" and that your opinion of what defines a creep is law. Oh wait...there isn't and your definition isn't the only one out there.

Agreed. Idiots have their own definitions that nobody gives a crap about.

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Are you accusing me of not being mentally healthy because I have no problem with a legally married couple being legally married in a state where they can be legally married?

Nice strawman. I guess in your world this passes as an "clever" argument? Rolling Eyes

No I'm accusing you of being mentally unhealthy because you can't see how creepy it is for a 41-year-old to have sex/ be in a relationship with/be married to a 16-year-old.

So.... is Texas recognizing this marriage? If so wow.... they'll let a guy pushing 50 to marry a high school girl but gays can't get married there... yay *slow clap* If this isn't the case please someone correct me, because that would suck.

dtm42 wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote:

So? What is the legal age of consent in Texas? It must be 16 for this to occur.

It's actually seventeen.

Well if that's the case then marrying the girl would have made no different to his conviction therefore the case fell on the grounds of lack of solid evidence of the charge. He probably married the girl to appease the mother not to press charge and it obviously worked. Case closed, time to move on.

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Are you accusing me of not being mentally healthy because I have no problem with a legally married couple being legally married in a state where they can be legally married?

Nice strawman. I guess in your world this passes as an "clever" argument? Rolling Eyes

No I'm accusing you of being mentally unhealthy because you can't see how creepy it is for a 41-year-old to have sex/ be in a relationship with/be married to a 16-year-old.

You have checked my location haven't you? Because if not, it might help you in understanding why I have no problem with a 16 year old being engaged in sexual activity with an adult (regardless of their age).

I live in the United Kingdom, where the legal age of consent is 16 and in fact, people can even be married at that age as well (provided they have parental consent, otherwise the age for marriage is 18)

So, are you claiming that myself and by extension, every other law-abiding citizen of the United Kingdom are "mentally unhealthy" because we believe in the laws and values in the country we reside in just because they don't fit with your own personal views?

In fact, as your location says you live in Canada, a country that has the same age gap but an even looser marriageable age? (with it being 16 for everyone, regardless of parental consent). Is it because of the age gap? If that's the case, then so what?
As I said earlier in this thread, I knew a couple in the next village over where the guy was in his 40s and the woman was in her 80s. They were very much in love and lived happily together. It was perfectly legal and hurting nobody, so who why should anyone view it as a problem?

(Obviously, this case in question is not based in the UK or Canada, but as you are focusing on my own morals as opposed to those of the case, I feel it relevant to make these distinctions)

ILOVEITToo wrote:

In my country people can get legally married even below 16 year old (with parent consent). I've seen girls as young as 13 getting married here.

And you live where exactly?

It's not a first-world nation, I already know that.

Mohawk52 wrote:

Case closed, time to move on.

The charges may be dropped, but that doesn't absolve him of his crime. That doesn't mean we should suddenly be okay with what he did just because he won't go to jail.

@ Ryu Shoji - you really have a hard time differentiating between the concepts "legal" and "creepy", don't you? Are you ready to have your mind blown? Okay, here goes: an activity can be perfect legal and still be creepy. Most people figure that out by the age of, oh, five.

It is perfectly legal for me to silently follow a woman at a pace of two feet. To stop when she stops. To start up again when she starts up again. It's also freaking creepy.

And I have no problem with large age gaps between married people when neither of them is still a minor.

So: 41-year-old married to 16-year-old (25 year age gap) = creepy.

75-year-0ld married to 50 year-old (25 year age gap) = who cares?

In advanced modern countries, it is pretty rare for a 16-year-old to be married to anyone, regardless of their age. A 16-year-old married to a 41-year-old is even rarer. Wanna know why it's rare? Because the vast majority of people find the idea CREEPY. Duh.

dtm42 wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote:

Case closed, time to move on.

The charges may be dropped, but that doesn't absolve him of his crime.

Crime? What crime?

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That doesn't mean we should suddenly be okay with what he did just because he won't go to jail.

I think you're confusing criminal activity, with moral and ethical activity. On that I can agree, but as it stands the law in Texas doesn't agree, and so what does it matter how I or anyone feels about it? It's none of our business to judge. "judge not and thou shall not be judged." Luke 6:37.

Blood- wrote:

@ Ryu Shoji - you really have a hard time differentiating between the concepts "legal" and "creepy", don't you? Are you ready to have your mind blown? Okay, here goes: an activity can be perfect legal and still be creepy. Most people figure that out by the age of, oh, five.

I'm not saying that things can't be perfectly fine from a legal sense but still be considered morally ambiguous to some people. However, your definition of what is creepy and what isn't isn't the only one out there and it has no basis in law.
You may think that a couple having such a large age gap is "creepy" but you know what? Good for you. The criminal process isn't about what one person on the internet thinks is icky or not, but is about what is and isn't illegal.

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It is perfectly legal for me to silently follow a woman at a pace of two feet. To stop when she stops. To start up again when she starts up again. It's also freaking creepy.

Actually, if you're doing it deliberately and it was proven that you were doing so, it could be seen as anything from breach of the peace, harassment to stalking.

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And I have no problem with large age gaps between married people when neither of them is still a minor.

So: 41-year-old married to 16-year-old (25 year age gap) = creepy.

75-year-0ld married to 50 year-old (25 year age gap) = who cares?

Except by law in both our countries of residence, 16 year olds have the legal right to marry anyone else who is 16 over or over. If you personally think it's creepy, then the answer is simple - I recommend don't marry a 16 year old.
However, other people are perfectly entitled to do what is perfectly legal, regardless of whether it fits with what you personally believe.

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In advanced modern countries, it is pretty rare for a 16-year-old to be married to anyone, regardless of their age. A 16-year-old married to a 41-year-old is even rarer. Wanna know why it's rare? Because the vast majority of people find the idea CREEPY. Duh.

Or maybe because the majority of 41 year olds would have already met and married somebody else by that age?

How about you present me with some certified statistics and studies that not only define the average age gaps between married couples, but also proves the hypothesis that not many marriages with large gaps occurring is due to social stigma? Then we can talk.

mangamuscle wrote:

Seems to me that sadly Japan and the USA are more alike than I thought. In 2011 Aya Hirano was tarnished by a sex scandal (yeah, she had sex outside marriage). Three years later Illich Guardiola has his reputation tarnished in another sex scandal (Yeah, he had sex inside his marriage and probably before, like many cynicals reading this), at the moment I do not think that a recording agency would record his voice for anything that is released at a national level. Maybe this will be forgotten in a couple of years and he can restart his career later on (like Hirano did).

The Aya Hirano sex scandal got a lot of attention in the anime community at the time. Also since Fairy Tail was about to go on hiatus at the time, many people online thought that the reason behind it was because of the scandal (Aya Hirano voices Lucy).

How long until she's 18 so they remarry and be beyond criticism or reproach?

Only on anime forums do you see people debate the morality of a forty something screwing a girl in her mid teens.

Mohawk52 wrote:

Crime? What crime?

Two of them.

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The first:

§ 21.12. IMPROPER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EDUCATOR AND
STUDENT. (a) An employee of a public or private primary or
secondary school commits an offense if the employee engages in
sexual contact, sexual intercourse, or deviate sexual intercourse
with a person who is enrolled in a public or private primary or
secondary school at which the employee works and who is not the
employee's spouse.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second
degree.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/21.12.00.html

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And the second:

§ 21.11. INDECENCY WITH A CHILD. (a) A person commits an
offense if, with a child younger than 17 years and not the person's
spouse, whether the child is of the same or opposite sex, the
person:
(1) engages in sexual contact with the child or causes
the child to engage in sexual contact;

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(d) An offense under Subsection (a)(1) is a felony of the
second degree

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/21.11.00.html

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Get this through your head: he broke these two laws - both of which are second-degree felonies - and then when busted he married the girl in Vegas in an attempt to cover himself. The fact that charges were eventually dropped does not mean he didn't break the law, it simply means that the prosecution couldn't gather enough evidence to formally try him in a court of law.

Ya know, I do worry about the state of society when there are people who are so willing to defend this guy.

Probably only one potential felony. "Houston Family Arts Center" is probably not "a public or private primary or secondary school". (I'm not going to dig through Texas law to see if they define those terms, but to me, they're descriptive of 3-R's type educational facilities, not arts-n-sports classes taken elsewhere.)

It's really hard to write a law that outlaws creepiness, isn't it?

I guess we'll find out how serious he is about her if the marriage outlasts the statute of limitations.

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