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What the hell does age have anything to do with this? I'm 21 and I feel exactly the same way. And the scene in Yugioh GX it's NOT of a mature nature. It's not like they're watching Shinji over-hearing Misato and Asuka talking about each others' bodies in a hot spring with lots of sexual innuendo. This is Yugioh. It's not freaking NGE. For Christ's sake, they aren't even showing nipples. IT'S NOT ANY WORSE THAN A BARBIE DOLL. Or do you think Mattel should censor Barbie dolls now? And once again you don't know that the younger brother was traumatized here. The older brother saw the breasts that wasn't even showing anything and panicked and wouldn't let his younger brother see it anymore without even stopping to see what the younger brother's reaction was. Chances are the younger brother probably didn't even care and it could have gone completely over his head without him realizing what was going on. And what exactly did the older brother accomplish here? Did the older brother explain to the younger brother what was going on or why exactly he thought breasts were bad? It sure doesn't look like that way to me. But now if he told his brother not to look at it anymore without any explanation why the younger brother is probably going to be even more confused than before. Hiding these things from him does not prevent him from being a sick pervert. Not explaining properly what's right or wrong probably will. The BIBLE has far worse scenes than anything Yugioh GX does but that doesn't stop parents from reading it to their kids, does it?

[First, not to take Mohawk's side(And I'm not) but 21 isn't exactly "mature" yet. You're still a kid, Kouji, like me.

Anyway, back to the real dissucsion. Once again , you nail what I was saying. Yu-GI-Oh! GX is a show for young boys, NGE is for a mature audience. Do you really think even the sub of GX would have stuff like that? Besides it's not like Sho or Judai were masturbating while watching Alexis take a bath. The closest thing to that(Which is also really distant) was Sho going to the Obelisk Blue Dorm to confess his love to Alexis. THAT'S IT!! No sex, nothing, just a confession which didn't really happen. And about your bible reference Kouji, I agree. Parents take their kids to church where they hear about demons that'll torture you for eternity if you're bad. And they're told about a man who was nailed to a cross and whipped(I believe it was) until he died. You think THAT wouldn't scare or damage an eight year old's psyche but a frickin' BATH SCENE would?! If kids can stand to hear stuff like THAT, they're defineatly old enough to see a bath scene where they're NOT EVEN SHOWING THE BOOBS!

[One last question for Mohawk: Why are you always using the wink emoticon when responding to what I post? This better not have to do with the fact that I'm still a shota (young boy). So does that have a hidden meaning to it or do you just like that one the best? I don't expect this question to be taken seriously but d00d. Seriously.

Kouji wrote:

What the hell does age have anything to do with this? I'm 21 and I feel exactly the same way. And the scene in Yugioh GX it's NOT of a mature nature. It's not like they're watching Shinji over-hearing Misato and Asuka talking about each others' bodies in a hot spring with lots of sexual innuendo. This is Yugioh. It's not freaking NGE. For Christ's sake, they aren't even showing nipples. IT'S NOT ANY WORSE THAN A BARBIE DOLL. Or do you think Mattel should censor Barbie dolls now? And once again you don't know that the younger brother was traumatized here. The older brother saw the breasts that wasn't even showing anything and panicked and wouldn't let his younger brother see it anymore without even stopping to see what the younger brother's reaction was. Chances are the younger brother probably didn't even care and it could have gone completely over his head without him realizing what was going on. And what exactly did the older brother accomplish here? Did the older brother explain to the younger brother what was going on or why exactly he thought breasts were bad? It sure doesn't look like that way to me. But now if he told his brother not to look at it anymore without any explanation why the younger brother is probably going to be even more confused than before. Hiding these things from him does not prevent him from being a sick pervert. Not explaining properly what's right or wrong probably will. The BIBLE has far worse scenes than anything Yugioh GX does but that doesn't stop parents from reading it to their kids, does it?

Shonen Bat wrote:

[First, not to take Mohawk's side(And I'm not) but 21 isn't exactly "mature" yet. You're still a kid, Kouji, like me.

Mohawk52 wrote:

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Shonen Bat wrote:

Anyway, back to the real dissucsion. Once again , you nail what I was saying. Yu-GI-Oh! GX is a show for young boys, NGE is for a mature audience. Do you really think even the sub of GX would have stuff like that? Besides it's not like Sho or Judai were masturbating while watching Alexis take a bath. The closest thing to that(Which is also really distant) was Sho going to the Obelisk Blue Dorm to confess his love to Alexis. THAT'S IT!! No sex, nothing, just a confession which didn't really happen. And about your bible reference Kouji, I agree. Parents take their kids to church where they hear about demons that'll torture you for eternity if you're bad. And they're told about a man who was nailed to a cross and whipped(I believe it was) until he died. You think THAT wouldn't scare or damage an eight year old's psyche but a frickin' BATH SCENE would?! If kids can stand to hear stuff like THAT, they're defineatly old enough to see a bath scene where they're NOT EVEN SHOWING THE BOOBS!

[quote=Mohawk52"] Are either of you Christian, and do either go to church? That might happen in some Christian churches but in all my years as a practising Catholic, I can not remember it being that horrendous. The world is a funny old place, and there are all kinds that make it that way, so you'll just have to understand that what you find completely within your standard of ethics is not necessarily what others will as well. You both find it acceptable. I don't watch Yu-Gi-Oh, and though my two still love Pokemon, they didn't care for Yu-Gi-Oh and so didn't watch it for long either. But if what you have described is correct, I wouldn't have reacted that way either. However, no matter. He did not accept it as being suitable for his little brother and that is the top and tail of it. To argue, rant, and rail against him, and call him stupid, and such for that, is seen by us "older folk" who are active parents, or guardians, as just children having a tantum because they don't like something and a sign that though one is of a certain age, one does not have what would be considered a mature attitude. In short a "school boy error". A mature person would, or should, have just said "to each their own" and moved on. But when you both are older yourselves, I hope this will become more clearer to you when a 15, or 21-year-old calls you "stupid" for your beliefs and feelings. Hopefully it is never your own children should you ever have them.

[One last question for Mohawk: Why are you always using the wink emoticon when responding to what I post? This better not have to do with the fact that I'm still a shota (young boy). So does that have a hidden meaning to it or do you just like that one the best? I don't expect this question to be taken seriously but d00d. Seriously.

For shame lad, what are you implying? I just happen to like that one. My late father would always wink at me whenever I would understand what he was trying to tell me for my own good, saying "That's me boy, carry on." and I've come to doing it with my lot.

On the subject of Ninja Turtles, I stopped buying the DVDs once they started putting the episodes out of order. Stories no longer made any sense; characters showing up before they've been introduced, etc. I know many others that also became infuriated and gave up on TMNT because of this. Most recently, TMNT ended on a cliffhanger in the summer and 4Kids and Playmates made the "brilliant" decision to just skip the conclusion to the cliffhanger plus several other episodes and start a new "futuristic" storyline. This also enraged many fans.

On the subject of Ninja Turtles, I stopped buying the DVDs once they started putting the episodes out of order. Stories no longer made any sense; characters showing up before they've been introduced, etc. I know many others that also became infuriated and gave up on TMNT because of this. Most recently, TMNT ended on a cliffhanger in the summer and 4Kids and Playmates made the "brilliant" decision to just skip the conclusion to the cliffhanger plus several other episodes and start a new "futuristic" storyline. This also enraged many fans.

A guy who died on a cross. Demons who'll torture you for eternity if you're bad. HOW can you say that stuff ISN'T worse than a non-explict bath scene?!!!

I'm gonna be an uncle soon

and I'd rather have my nephews(or neices) watch that one scene which wasn't even a big deal in the story than tell them "If you're bad, you'll go to hell and be tortured for all eternity by a red guy named Satan."

And besides, the guy who overreacted to that one scene FAILED his duties as an older brother. If I'm right, one duty to being a big sibling is to teach your little siblings about what goes on in the world, even about bath scenes which don't play an important part to a show about CARD GAMES!! No, what he did was instead of being the responsible big brother, instead he goes on to a movie forum, and complains about it instead of telling his brother what he saw. He FAILED as an older brother. My brother might not have been around a lot when I was younger, but I bet that when he was, he taught me about stuff that goes on in the world and you know why? Cause unlike abreeze(the guy I quoted eariler), my brother is responsible in his duties as an older brother and actually looks out for me. His baby bro. WITHOUT taking his dislike of anime to those big an extremes.

Why are you assuming that Kouji and I are saying you're stupid? We're not.

We just think that scenes like that aren't a big deal. That doesn't mean we're not christians(I don't know what Kouji is). It just means we don't get worked up over scenes which don't even play an important part to the plot.

A guy who died on a cross. Demons who'll torture you for eternity if you're bad. HOW can you say that stuff ISN'T worse than a non-explict bath scene?!!!

I'm gonna be an uncle soon

Congratulations!

tortured for all eternity by a red guy named Satan."

"Cow and Chicken" Yeah I remember that.

And besides, the guy who overreacted to that one scene FAILED his duties as an older brother. If I'm right, one duty to being a big sibling is to teach your little siblings about what goes on in the world, even about bath scenes which don't play an important part to a show about CARD GAMES!! No, what he did was instead of being the responsible big brother, instead he goes on to a movie forum, and complains about it instead of telling his brother what he saw. He FAILED as an older brother. My brother might not have been around a lot when I was younger, but I bet that when he was, he taught me about stuff that goes on in the world and you know why? Cause unlike abreeze(the guy I quoted eariler), my brother is responsible in his duties as an older brother and actually looks out for me. His baby bro. WITHOUT taking his dislike of anime to those big an extremes.

Wait, he was an irresponsible failure for being concerned about what his little brother was watching, but your brother was a responsible success by not being around a lot? Am I missing something here?

Why are you assuming that Kouji and I are saying you're stupid? We're not.

I thank you.

We just think that scenes like that aren't a big deal. That doesn't mean we're not christians(I don't know what Kouji is). It just means we don't get worked up over scenes which don't even play an important part to the plot.

"If you're bad, you'll go to hell and be tortured for all eternity by a red guy named Satan."

You see this is where your youth lets you down. You feel that scene is perfectly alright for anyone to see, which is your right, however, you think the rest of the world should feel the same, and will not tolerate anyone else for feeling differently from that, boisterously. This the same ethos, though in a different context, that terrorist groups use to justify their actions. Not that I'm calling you a terrorist, please don't missunderstand.

Mohawk52 wrote:

You see this is where your youth lets you down. You feel that scene is perfectly alright for anyone to see, which is your right, however, you think the rest of the world should feel the same, and will not tolerate anyone else for feeling differently from that, boisterously. This the same ethos, though in a different context, that terrorist groups use to justify their actions. Not that I'm calling you a terrorist, please don't missunderstand.

Ok, so according to you, we don't have the right to expect other people to feel the same as we do, yet somehow you expect us to feel the same as you about this? You do realize that by what you're saying we should agree with what you say even though you just said the world isn't black and white and not everybody isn't going to agree with you yet somehow when we disagree with you our ethos is suddenly on par with a terrorist group's yet when you disagree with us everything is all okey dokey? You do realize that by telling us to be silent about this that you're telling us that we have to agree with you which is what you were just telling us we shouldn't expect you to do? Great job at being consistent with your argument here. What makes you so special that you think we should have to agree with your opinion yet you have the freedom to disagree with ours? And if this brother didn't want people to disagree with his opinion, he shouldn't have posted about it in a public forum for the whole world to see. If he doesn't want others to disagree with him, he should keep his big mouth shut instead of trying to push his belief that that scene is inappropriate onto others.

okay everyone getting on to me for my uncut dvd comments, consider this: if the sales for the cut anime they release isn't making any money what makes you think spending more money to release uncut anime would make them anymore money? at the end of the day 4kids is about money. period.

they've put fourth some effort to release uncut dvd's at your request(even if they weren't very well advertised) and it failed. they probably aren't going to try again, you had your shot to send 4kids a message, ya'll didn't take it so they'll continue to effortlessly butcher anime and make money, the formula that works.

game over.

fawhoooosh!

Totally off topic, but I heard on a documentary on Christianity on the Discovery channel that some believe that the Devil is an obese fuzzy blue monster that lives in the "frigid cold" center of the Earth, personally biting the heads off of sinners and traitors.

Isn't the whole point of this thread that 4Kids is LOSING money by butchering anime?

Mohawk52 wrote:

You see this is where your youth lets you down. You feel that scene is perfectly alright for anyone to see, which is your right, however, you think the rest of the world should feel the same, and will not tolerate anyone else for feeling differently from that, boisterously. This the same ethos, though in a different context, that terrorist groups use to justify their actions. Not that I'm calling you a terrorist, please don't missunderstand.

Ok, so according to you, we don't have the right to expect other people to feel the same as we do, yet somehow you expect us to feel the same as you about this? You do realize that by what you're saying we should agree with what you say even though you just said the world isn't black and white and not everybody isn't going to agree with you yet somehow when we disagree with you our ethos is suddenly on par with a terrorist group's yet when you disagree with us everything is all okey dokey? You do realize that by telling us to be silent about this that you're telling us that we have to agree with you which is what you were just telling us we shouldn't expect you to do? Great job at being consistent with your argument here. What makes you so special that you think we should have to agree with your opinion yet you have the freedom to disagree with ours? And if this brother didn't want people to disagree with his opinion, he shouldn't have posted about it in a public forum for the whole world to see. If he doesn't want others to disagree with him, he should keep his big mouth shut instead of trying to push his belief that that scene is inappropriate onto others.