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Tenebrae
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Let's looks for example at the kind of men to whom the japanese idol industry likes to peddle their wares. I have a feeling quite a few of them have trouble discerning between reality and the twisted ideals they are buying. |
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DmonHiro
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IMO, Dance With Devils stands way above trash like Diabolique for the simple facts that it has a narrative, the characters, while stereotypes, do have some depths to them, and the heroine isn't a total moron. This is what I hate about most otome shows: the heroine is usually braid dead. Amnesia is by far the worst offender. That girl was too stupid to try and swim up.
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Ali07
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I've read most comments here. I'm none the wiser. 
Yes, and I'm the same with the male harem lead that gets "punished" for doing "perverted" things accidentally. But, still, I will persist with giving harems a try anyway. |
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DmonHiro
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Ah, as to why I, as a male, enjoy some reverse harems? It's quite simple: unlike regular harems, the members of the reverse harem are usually some sort of team or clan, and I've always liked the idea of a band of brothers. So while the female fans can self-insert into the story as the female lead, I can self-insert as a member of that band. Who wouldn't want to be a badass devil, am I right?
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sunflower
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I like the Beauty and the Beast story, but the versions I like are not the ones where Beauty's coming makes him reform himself (or where she had to change him). I like the ones where he's had years on his own to realize what an ass he is, and he changes because he's tired of being alone through his own faults. By the time Beauty gets there, he's still a Beast in form but one desperate for love. She doesn't have to change him, just see who he is. It's not a story of a girl reforming a horrible guy, but one of a girl seeing under a gruff exterior, one of the heroine and hero changing themselves. It's also a story loaded with sexual tension when Beauty is drawn to the Beast despite her fear and anger, and that's a delicious pay off it for me. That's why I prefer the beast over the prince. I like there to be a reminder and a lingering flavor of danger and the costs paid on both sides to get where they are in the end. I don't want it erased by him suddenly turning into Prince Charming. I'd recommend Beauty by Robin McKinley, which I just happened to finish rereading Tuesday lol, or Beast by Donna Jo Napoli, for this version of the story. |
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leatherhead333
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Nah Yui from Diabolik lovers is worse 
Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. My comment wasn't really aimed at you, I was just kind of giving my take on the genre itself and some of it's fans. I'm certain many folks think of shows like this as a guilty pleasure.However, as with most guilty pleasures there needs to be some acknowledgement of the bad parts of it. You can like something because it pleases your fantasies but that doesn't mean you can tell others who DON'T enjoy it that they simply aren't part of the demographic and should shut up (it's rather ignorant). Which is what I hear from a lot of fans. Again not aimed at you as feel you delivered your message well. I just tend to go on rants a lot and don't make it clear who I'm raging at sometimes. Don't mind me .
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MajorZero
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The same way I can't tolerate all this tsundere bullshit. Actually, I think one of the bigger problems of otome games is that most of the dialogue choices are inherently dumb and don't give you much control over outcome. |
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Key
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Nice way to cast blanket accusations back the other way. I won't dispute the possibility (okay, likelihood) that there are some guys out there hating on reverse-harem for the reason you stated. However, do not assume that any guy who indicates that they don't like reverse-harem is doing so for that reason. I generally don't like them because I find them stale and boring, stylized in a way that's not to my tastes, loaded with slavish devotion to character tropes that irritate me, and possessing fan service of a type that's not to my tastes. (And I'm interpreting "fan service" pretty broadly here.) I have no hidden agenda; I don't like them because I just don't like them. I am ashamed that some of my fellow guys can be such asses on this kind of thing, but that doesn't mean that I will tolerate "all guys are like that" statements, either. |
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Lanford
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Really, it doesn't matter if they're vampires supposed to have lived a millennium of years, if they feature a baby face then these years means nothing but a silly number 
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HarriedHarriet
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I never said "All Men." I'm not some evil manhater or whatever, I was just explaining the behavior. In fact, after my initial statement, I didn't even specify gender period. You do realize though that going, "Not All Men!™" is a frequent, unhelpful, and infuriating counter often used when a woman bothers to point out the bad behavior of some men, right? The fact that you jumped to that conclusion and used said counter is troubling in of itself, regardless of the rest of your intent. I'm sorry I'm not responding to the rest of the replies for now, but I'm going to cool my heels for a bit. I'm a touch angry at the moment and want a cool head to reply to anything else. |
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Яeverse
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Ayato (DiaLover) is still my favorite husbando in these anime. I just love everything about him and his personality is amazing. I love how he tries to act all mean but is secret the most caring one of the Sakamakis. Kanato is my second.
And then in BroCon, Fuuto is best. I love all the ones that end up picking on the lead but secret care deeply. In DanDevi id go with Shiki, whenever he goes you poor poor thing and his love for pain and suffering, he's so cute and misunderstood. - Ittoki Otoya is best husbando in all otome though |
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mistress_kisara
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Bless you. Seriously, this is the reason why I like Amnesia, Diabolik, Lovers and Dance with Devils. Fans do know that most of the relationships in them are abusive. I think otome games have evolved so much from the Angelique days of the 90's. I pretty much love the otome games that came out within the last 2 years and they are not even the dark and edgy type. |
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manapear
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This topic has been so informative.
I kind of give up on reading actual articles about these things (because I don't agree with the perspective, or feel like it focuses too much on the Western side without looking at more of the cultural context in Japan, or I just feel it lacks more insight), but I do appreciate the commentary that comes. I do notice a little bit of the, "I'm a straight guy, and this is why I don't like otome/reverse harem (insert not great reason)" and other double standards, but it's refreshing that there isn't a lot. Honestly, there are people with unhealthy views and tastes no matter the genre and intended audience. But I agree with some of the other gals and folks that sometimes, it's just nice to indulge in something dark and unhealthy, while knowing you personally won't be abused (and don't condone that in real life). How the relationships play out and what the heroine is like also makes a difference to me. Some of us like a heroine that has a strong sense of character, or is very sensitive and compassionate but not dumb; it complements these dark, bad boys well. When the heroine is a complete shrinking violet or just a doormat to be abused, I am very put off. I will say, the guys also make a difference. At times, I like them to just be bad, but if they're given good development and background, I don't mind them being "redeemed" a bit. But I tend to like them because there is an air of actual attraction to the character. The kind of bad boys I don't like? Ones that are like certain, spoiler-y dudes in Utena. Guys that are disgusting, manipulative creeps. When the guys become like that in a reverse harem/otome, it's a no-no and disturbing; I'm glad that it's not usually the case, even in the games/anime that I side-eye or am very uncomfortable with. |
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LiteKnite
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Is there a series that combines harem and reverse harem?
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Key
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Not really. You might find an occasional series out there where male and female co-protagonists have their own groups of love interests (Ranma ½ immediately comes to mind, though in that case it's the same character alternating between male and female form rather than co-protagonists), but even those are very rare. Taking a full-fledged harem and reverse harem approach at the same time would be so contradictory that it would be unmanageable. |
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