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kpk
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What's "Bill 156"? And if it prevents from mainstream Anine shows to show a same-sex kiss that's really sucks. |
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Catsplay
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I'm confused about this, since I know series like Prisma Illya showed same sex kisses between young girl characters (Kuro and Miyu, Kuro and Illya, etc). Also Super Lovers is a more modern yaoi anime that does show kissing so I'm wondering why these series were safe from this bill. |
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FackuIkari
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Wait isn't Bill 156 the "no loli having sex" thing? or it also affects gay kissing too?
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maximilianjenus
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in practice it was the anti incest bill, but it only affected pretty explicit stuff and it onyl age blocks it, which in practice can kill some things.
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Jonny Mendes
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Bill 156 - Tokyo Metropolitan Ordinance Regarding the Healthy Development of Youths: Harmful material is any manga, animation, or pictures (but not including real life pictures or footage) that features either sexual or pseudo sexual acts that would be illegal in real life, or sexual or pseudo sexual acts between close relatives whose marriage would be illegal, where such depictions and / or presentations unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate the activity. The main reason why Oreimo author had to make that not very explicit ending. So same sex-kiss is safe except if between close relative . |
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pauladls
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Why Doesn't Yaoi manga Get animated?
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Angel M Cazares
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I think it is the opposite of what you say. Yuri on Ice had two or three moments of meaningful and sincere romantic development, but there was too much gay baiting and pandering to consider the gay relationship between the leads natural/normal. I still give YOI points for having gay characters, but they handled homosexuality in a sensationalist manner most of the time. |
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Vaisaga
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Does Free! count?
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Ashen Phoenix
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Oh wow! I didn't know any of that. Thanks for the info, jessie. Last edited by Ashen Phoenix on Fri May 05, 2017 2:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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rizuchan
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Just to throw it out there among the rest, but Loveless did eventually get a dub from Media Blasters along with its yuri counterpart Kashimashi, though long enough after its run that nobody really noticed or cared.
I'm pretty content with my yaoi being sub only, probably because old Yaoi dubs were so terrible I just lost the desire. My frustration is that certain newer, HD Yaoi shows don't even get a blu-ray, FUNIMATION. 
Edit: Which has actually got me thinking - From what Right Stuf has implied, Junjo Romantica was a pretty big seller for them, and they're even rereleasing it on blu-ray (despite it being about the last show that needs it). But Funimation snaps up Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and then chickens out and does a single subbed, DVD only release for both seasons, which is bottom of the barrel for them, and had yet to touch Junjo 3. I imagine that's Funimation and Nozomi's numbers for a "successful release" look a lot different, but if Nozomi thinks they're gonna make money off of a blu-ray rerelease of Junjo, Surely an initial run of blu-ray for Sekaiichi Hatsukoi would have been profitable for Funi? I'd think if anything, their production costs would be much less than Nozomi's. Maybe Sekaiichi Hatsukoi has less brand recognition than Junjo, but just slap a big "From the same author/world of Junjo Romantica" and that'd take care of that. Buuut more than likely Funi is just too scared to take any risk on a yaoi title, since, AFAIK, this is their first. (No, Free! doesn't remotely count) |
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treeofjessie
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I don't know anything about Prisma so I can't comment on it, but:
Super Lovers is Yaoi, so as I already mentioned, it's fine. Doukyuusei is also BL, yeah? So it's fine. Yamada & Scum's wish were both very late night, adult rated anime, yes? Like they both centred around sexual content, I believe (haven't seen Yamada, but I think I read that about it) so that's why they're fine, even if they aren't specifically in the Yaoi/BL categories. I sort of implied it, but I'll clarify: I said this stuff will be restricted to Yaoi/BL because of the essential sexualized nature of these categories. Bill 156 was the same one the anime community was freaking out about a few years w/r/t censorship; I'm sure you've all at least heard about it in passing? I strongly encourage anyone who is interested to look into it themselves, since there doesn't seem to be a lot of education around it spread among us, and I feel like it's a pretty relevant topic. To the point, though. The best-natured, oversimplified intentions of the bill were to keep pornographic manga/anime content out of the hands of minors. But because the actual language of the bill is so vague, and contains phrases like "sexually stimulating" (which could be interpreted to mean a ton of different things!) & because queer people (& characters) are essentially sexualized (this is MESSED UP and I DO NOT AGREE with it, but it's a true thing that happens) queer kissing is in the danger zone, and could potentially get creators in some hot water within general audience media (eg: non-adult, non-Yaoi/BL/Yuri). So if you're talking about stuff that's sexualized already, then it's nothing that was at risk in the first place. I'm talking specifically about genre stuff that isn't already explicitly "stimulating" lol @relyat08 re: the stuff you bring up about Kubo... there are some interesting related cultural concepts that might help you understand her, as well. 1) 妄想(mousou) - wild ideas 2) 脳内変換 (nounai henkan) - transform inside your brain Basically they both mean: imagine or interpret what you want Like culturally, for Japanese folks, ambiguity can be a point of pride - a feature, not a bug, if you will. I mean I think it's worth noting that they don't often frame heterosexual relationships in this way (not in my experience, at least), but I DO think it's important to understand and acknowledge that anime & manga that we, as westerners, are plucking out of a different culture than ours. So Kubo's talking some very ~culturally Japanese~ stuff in those interviews; stuff that's kinda... it's different than the legal stuff, you know? Like she's also come out multiple times on social media to correct/assure people that The Kiss DID occur, so I kinda think, like: this is this, that is that. You know? Haha |
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kinghumanity
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YOI is a BL anime. Don't skirt around it. It is a fairly generic sports show with a decent but generic story and decent to mediocre production quality. I am willing to bet both my computer and my phone that a similar show without the BL aspect would have sold nowhere near half as many BD copies. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest about it. Last edited by kinghumanity on Fri May 05, 2017 2:53 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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treeofjessie
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PLEASE DON'T MISTAKE ME THO: I still think No. 6 is lovely, and I still agree that it had big, giant balls; I just wanted to point out that its kisses and YOI's were not comparable, from like... a consequences standpoint. lol
Doesn't mean it wasn't doing something SUPER RISKY and still pretty amazing, tho. |
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DmonHiro
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This was answered: because it doesn't sell. The audience is too small. Most men don't like it and only some women like it. |
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DmonHiro
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The truth has been spoken. If YOI wasn't BL it would have faded into obscurity since aside from the homosexual relationship it brings nothing of interest. Maybe the few dance routines that were greatly animated, but that's hardly what would bring the big sales. |
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