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SilverTalon01
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It is great they're name dropping some info that tells you absolutely nothing, but when are we getting actual specs? Granted I'll probably only end up getting it if like one of the two franchises I care enough about to buy a console for get exclusive PS5 releases.
Coming with an SSD stock is pretty nice. PS4 Pro / XBOXOX really should have as well, but whatever. Better be [at least] 500 GB.
I don't even know why they're bothering with ray tracing. It is such a joke. There is no way in hell the PS5 has the specs for it when even the new Nvidia GPUs chug with ray tracing... despite them talking about nothing but ray tracing during the big reveal. Or are people suppose to buy the PS5 to continue the console cinematic 24 fps experience?
Yeah, but will it be UHD bluray like the super cheap XBONE S managed or a regular bluray like the pricey PS4 Pro... |
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El Hermano
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Hopefully they fix the cooling system/fans. My PS4 sounds like a jet engine taking off every-time I play a game and pisses my girlfriend off
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jdnation
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It won't be download only. The SSD is about better load times which will benefit the open world genre which has been a big request from devs, particularly when travelling across the map at high speeds or fast travel. The SSD solution sounds like there is some custom stuff going on that is not available on PCs, yet. But there won't be anything exotic to the extent of Cell. For some other stuff people brought up, most likely it'll use UHD discs. Game sizes will go up. Red Dead 2 was close to 100 GBs across two discs. And naturally it'll do UHD movies also. I also hope it's not just limited to PS4 BC, but can do 1,2 and if possible, 3. Also the ability to do ray tracing is not a bad thing. Sure if you just intend to use it as your main light and reflect system, then it'll hog resources, but anyone who is not incompetent will be able to utilize the tech for a lot more such as audio, AI, trajectories, physics etc. as its systems can be used for a lot more , and that's in addition to improving existing lighting methods. From what people have been saying, these early hardware references indicate that this isn't going to be a lazy upgrade like the Pro or 1X. It looks to be a significant generation upgrade. Probably Sony and Microsoft will go with beefy cutting edge systems this time while hoping to leverage streaming for the mass market on existing or 2nd sku streaming devices launching with the main hardware. The future will be streaming and physical with digital downloading declining to streaming, but physical holding steady depending on stream pricing, net access. Most likely PS4 games will get enhancements similar to Pro with patches/brute force for 60 fps or native 4K or both depending on title. There will be a few but not many actual cross gen disc titles. Most likely they'll just put a 'Better on PS5' sticker on the PS4 case. I can still see PS4 having longevity from smaller titles thanks to BC and enhancements for PS5. |
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EricJ2
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I'm still not exactly sure why we're getting a PS5 at all, or why the necessary hype for Sony to say "Get ready to trash your PS4, we've got a new one coming out!" only a few years after the PS4 was a success. It was like getting a six-course restaurant meal and grabbing the dessert menu the minute it was served. Far as I can tell, it's part of the gamer mentality that every new advance in home technology must be made just for their private ultra-gamer connosseuirship, and has no right to be applied to anything as "lame" or mainstream as new home-theater technology that you can't play in massive online-player shooters. Up to now, PS2 & 3 had both been driven by Sony's need to cross-promote a difficult-to-market new home-theater technology: PS2 fans were the first to get hooked on DVD, back when most mainstream VHS fans couldn't see the point of "small laserdiscs". And I speak for those first early Blu non-gamer adopters who bought a PS3 back when they were literally the only first Blu-ray players that worked, while Sony's mass-market living-room standalone player was a bugged-up nightmare that almost made the format a laughingstock--With Microsoft and X-Box pushing HDDVD, the Blu-vs-HD war was reduced to a private scrap between Angry Gamers (PS3 vs. X-Box was nothing compared to "Casino Royale vs. King Kong!"), and the feud so damaged the mainstream image, most non-gamer customers were ready to say "A plague on both your houses" and end the hi-def-disk format war right there. It's hard to imagine how Sony could NOT have intended the PS4 to try and sell 4K UHD back when the public had literally no idea what it was--But there's been suspicion that A) Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Home Entertainment had been having an in-fight, and SHE didn't want a game console to undercut the "validation" of big standalone-player sales at Best Buy, and B) Ask most people, the PS3 had been one of the biggest selling games in history. Ask an Angry Gamer, and they fly into rages that the console was a, quote, "failure" that spent "too much time" trying to be a mainstream media player (and almost singlehandedly inventing Streaming TV, along with Blu-ray and Blu3D), which took up "too much circuit space" that could have been used to put in more audio and cinematic bells and whistles for their own private Call of Duty online sessions. ...There's no fans that do more damage to their own industry than game fans. 
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Firefly251
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reason i bought a PS4 originally:
ff7 remake. at this rate imma be lucky if its out b4 the next gen console...and so help me if its a ps5 only game... |
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chrisc1978
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I don't want the new Playstation, Sony censors games now. I bought an Alienware Aurora computer instead of buying another game console.
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El Hermano
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Always depends on the types of games that it gets. I doubt those folks will continue to make games for PlayStation when the Switch is the new go-to system for uncensored content. The Switch already outsold the PS4 in Japan despite being out for only a fraction of the time. |
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enurtsol
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Scion Drake
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Heh the people here going “PC rules” & basically acting like a bunch of shills for it amuses me what due to stuff like the recent Epic Games storefront fiasco.
Turns out PC isn’t a shining beacon after all & has its own garbage issues to deal with. So all yawl have fun over there, you’ll deal with your shit & we’ll deal with our shit. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Which is less because of Sony's content restrictions and more because of the Switch's portable nature. If the Switch's sales were owed to that the PC market which has a plethora of games featuring content that would never be allowed on either the Playstation or the Switch would be considered mainstream as opposed to niche. |
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jdnation
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I believe it also has a big part to do with their competitors. Microsoft is eager to move on from the Xbone and shake up the usual way of doing console things, which is exactly what you describe, but Microsoft wants to focus more on services, and push people more into digital and streaming. Google is also launching Stadia, which provided your net speed is good and latency is solved easily enough will provide a high-end PC experience. Other competitors also also moving in on the space seeking to offer Netflix-like streaming services for games that abandon hardware and make it easy for the mass market. Sony, therefore has to respond - first by improving their already existing streaming service, then moving up console hardware to match or exceed the output of Microsoft and Google's streaming servers, to no doubt move when Microsoft is also ready to move on. And also VR is a big part of it. From what Cerny is saying about quick loading and the ability to do 8K, I'm presuming this is all relevant to an upcoming PSVR2. VR for now will always require local hardware and not streaming. But hardware needs to move up significantly with resolution and framerate alongside price to get more people interested in a traditional console. So the end of 2020 seems like the time to release. But I feel that there will still be games coming for PS4 that are smaller titles, likely lots of indies will do cross gen PS4/PS5, and also Japanese devs making games for Switch can also put them on PS4 & PS5. Sony first parties will move on after Last of Us 2, Death Stranding and Ghost of Tsushima, but we'll still get some major games, like Studio Zero's Re:Zero Fantasy and a lot of others, where thanks to PS4 BC, can just put out patches or take advantage of PS5 boosts to still make their titles attractive for new gen owners while taking advantage of the large PS4 install base. I believe PS4's success is also why Sony will go for a more beefy expensive console in PS5, and updates for streaming already work on PS4 as the low entry cost. |
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Tenchi
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Even if I have "new console money" when the Playstation 5 comes out, I'll probably only consider buying it if it has Playstation 2 backwards compatibility for those of us with extensive PS2 game libraries but aging, malfunctioning hardware on which to play it.
I know many of the most celebrated Playstation 2 games get remastered releases in the Playstation Store but a lot of the Playstation 2 games I replay the most, particularly racing games, have extensive amounts of licensed content making them very difficult and often prohibitively expensive to relicense for modern consoles (and some of those licenses might no longer be available). There's also my general reluctance to pay again for games I already own on physical media. I know that, for now, there's still the option of buying another Playstation 2 but prices on those are set to skyrocket and even if they're "new in box", the most recent ones made around the time Sony ended production are already around seven years old and components like capacitors may already be starting to leak. Another advantage of hypothetically being able to play PS2 games on a PS5 over just playing them on a PS2 would be that you'd theoretically be able to install the PS2 games onto the solid state drive so that you wouldn't wear the laser out as quickly compared to playing them on a PS2. A pipe dream should the PS5 not be backwards compatible with the first three Playstation generations would be that Sony just releases three-in-one PS1/PS2/PS3 retro boxes with modern video outputs but I think Sony would be reluctant to do that as you'd only be using the retro-box to play games you already own or that you'll buy on the secondary market. |
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jdnation
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There's really no reason they couldn't do PSOne and PS2 with disc emulation. I'm hoping recent patents suggest that. Especially considering Microsoft has done some pretty good solutions for BC. But unfortunately, I don't think it's a priority for Sony. I do hope they will though, and that's probably a bullet point they are saving for later.
My BC dream would be - PSOne, PS2, PS3 and PS4 for both digital and disc. A USB dongle drive that is sold separately that reads UMD and Vita cards. But digital versions can just run without it. Good upscaling options, though naturally PSP and PSOne titles will look rough, but you could likely just play it at a smaller aspect ratio centred on your TV. I'm guessing the same reveal manner as PS4's. -Hardware meeting in early 2020 with confirmed specs, service updates, new controller and tech demos. -More details and demos at GDC 2020. -Full hardware reveal and price with confirmed launch titles and other U.S. studio games at E3 2020. -More details with E.U. studio games at Paris Games Week 2020. -Japanese studio games at TGS 2020. -Launch November 2020. I'm guessing big titles will be a new Gran Turismo, Horizon 2, Bloodborne 2 and whatever Fumito Ueda and Gen Design are working on, unless that's a PS4 title. I was also thinking that the reason for PS5 to try and push 8K, also has to do with PSVR plans, and perhaps that they are going for a 4K screen in the headset to improve resolution quality, which means two 4K images for each eye. Granted it's not the full screen and you're technically only doing half the screen for each eye, but the ability to do 8K means the specs should be able to do dual native 4K images to the headset at 120 fps. So VR games will still be graphically behind normal PS5 titles but will still be much better. And if patents for eye tracking and foveated rendering are any indication, then that would also be a major boost to VR graphics by rendering less on screen and only high detail on where your eyes are focusing. |
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anddo
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Can we get Ken Kutaragi back for PS6? Tired of the PC Lites Cerny is pushing out.
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BadNewsBlues
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If you're referring to something akin to the PSOne the reception of that system would better explain Sony's reluctant to do a similar system. |
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