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Ingraman
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I don't think that anyone expects us to keep some obscure, out-of-print, and discontinued anime magazine up front and in plain sight. ^_^
Well, the cover for #2 is Cyborg 009. I do recall seeing a Last Exile cover, but I don't appear to have purchased any of the issues beyond #2, so I can't provide any more info. Hmm... I've never even looked at the DVD w/#2; it's still enclosed in the cover. Nothing jumped out at me as being of peculiar interest when I glanced at the magazine's table of contents. At least the cover for #1 had been opened, although I don't recall what I might have looked at years ago (July '03 is the cover date, after all). |
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Ingraman
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Maybe eventually, but it's not under consideration at the moment. Good luck finding a copy out there. Hmm... Doing a little Googling to see if there are any other copies floating around out there turned up mention of an issue #6, but I don't know if that was pre-release information being referred to, or if the issue did get printed. |
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UtenaAnthy
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Do not put words in my mouth, first of all I said being "in love" is fascist, not love, second I didn't say I'd hate that person, but I would get them out of my life as fast as I possibly could. I do not spend time with physically or emotionally abusive people. I'd report them and have them sent to jail, then move on, I would want them to recieve therapy so they could stop hurting people and have a non-lonely life, but it is not my responsibility to sort out their problems, that's the job of people who: A) get paid for their time B) have safeguards in place to avoid being abused physically while they do their therapeutic work. If you don't understand this you are quite the oblivious misogynist, with no concern for the abused, I probably would still love that person a small bit, because I love everyone, but I can love someone and still want them to be in jail and away from me. Plus the abuser is the selfish person, not the person who doesn't want to be anywhere near the abuser, you *****. |
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nicomorr
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This was a Great Buried Treasure - just lovely. Something about humanising cultural dissonance (as an Englishman with no Japanese). We miss so much of the Context & this gives a lovely insight, thank you!
You might consider uploading to Take6 - (I'm assuming this is unlicenced in the US/EU). An alternative to torrents. NHK have done other anime docus - believe one of "The Professionals" series was about GHIBLI?? http://www.nhk.or.jp/professional/ Can't find an English link right now ... aRTE did an excellent docu on GHIBLI - the sense of wonder on Takahata's face as he unrolled an 800 year-old scroll & showed it's similarity to his Pom Poko characters & then we were shown a video montage of the old & the new .... segueing into each other - brilliant. Alas in French/German only though it can be found. I'd like to see more of this kind of Buried Treasure - more documentaries. Nico M |
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mrgazpacho
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Yes; it was really about SUZUKI Toshio. Available on DVD ( http://www.cdjapan.jp/detailview.html?KEY=NSDS-10205 ) but no English translation... |
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10円
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What is so fascist about being "in love?" Maybe it's obvious to you but I have no idea what you're talking about.
You just seem to be a little confused about men. Sure, there are a lot of misogynists out there, but I really think you're jumping the gun on this one. And what's with the "*****"? Is that supposed to be an expletive or something? |
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nicomorr
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Hah! You jogged my memory - thanks. Found the home of the (very good) ARTE doumentary "Ghibli & le mystère Miyazaki" http://www.arte.tv/fr/cinema-fiction/cinema-d-animation-asiatique/718330.html Not really offtopic as I'd surely like more Buried Treasure that gives an insight into creators and their (Japanese) audiences - in fact I'd like to see a Documentary & Historical section on ANN. Nico M |
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mrgazpacho
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That one screened with English subtitles on Australian free-to-air television. I might even have it on VHS somewhere around the house... now to see if I can dig it up and watch it again |
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HeeroTX
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I think EVERY fan and non-fan of Evangelion needs to read this statement. I agree with this 100% and I have never "liked" Evangelion, altho I can "watch" it. From the non-fan perspective, part of the PROBLEM with Evangelion is that all the fans are (Like Anno) convinced that it is the BEST anime EVAR!!!!! And if you are someone that cannot empathize with the characters, it IS (as jsevakis said) "like emo vomit". I think most non-fans realize the disconnect but they just need to accept it (which would be easier is fans would calm the **** down about the title), but the FANS need to do as noted above and realize that non-fans in many cases aren't going to like it, in many cases because the very things the fans empathize with are things that detractors find fairly abhorrent. (if you wanna see a great case-study of this for a totally different fandom you can jump on over and join us in either the thread talking about Bamboo's latest shelf life or the last Answerman's thoughts on OMG!) Kudos to Justin for summing up the disconnect between people on Evangelion so succinctly. |
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Iritscen
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Yeah, I second that. It's a good point that Eva only "speaks" to certain people; in that respect, I guess it's bound to polarize its viewers. Certainly the last two episodes were meaningful to me, whereas the movie was worthless. Did I nearly get a headache trying to keep up with the dialogue and images in ep.s 25 and 26? Yes, but the message still came through. The one thing that I thought could have been developed a little more were the reasons for Shinji's self-loathing. We actually find out in End of Eva (or was it D&R?) that part of the reason he hates himself is that he has strong sexual feelings but is unable to express them out of fear of rejection or simply having trouble accepting the feelings (as has been the case with teenagers throughout history). I thought a particularly revealing scene from the series was when Shinji chooses to leave and is being escorted by the NERV agents, and he shouts out to Kensuke and Touji that he's sneaky and a coward. I didn't actually get the sneaky part until seeing the movies and reflecting on the series. Apparently he's conflicted over his attraction to Asuka, Rei, maybe Misato. We don't see him "sneaking a peek" except in the episode where he stares at Rei bending over in her swimsuit. I just thought if we saw a little more of that it would have explained his inner conflict better. Aside from that there's the whole complex he gets from his father alienating him, and from his habit of running away from situations when he knows he should persevere (the "flight" part of the "fight or flight" response). Frankly, even if the series is a little rough around the edges, I think Anno did a great job depicting the characters. If you read about the three major categories of mental illness you realize what exactly Anno was doing when he designed Shinji, Asuka and Rei. |
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UtenaAnthy
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He actually basically implied that there was something selfish about getting away from an abuser as fast as possible, how can you possibly get up on your high horse about beating someone, yeah I'm sure all those victims of beatings would love to hear you tell them how selfish they are.
Plus the ***** was actually "idiot", but I figured there might be a rule against saying that "personal attacks" and whatnot, frankly I think it works fine as a legitimate accusation, but I'm sure some will argue that it's vague. O.K. how about: You are being really idiotic about this. That works better. |
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HellKorn
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Nice dark sense of humor there, Anno.
Still a vegetarian I see.
Even though it's simple and has been stated so many times before, it brings a smile to my face to read something like that from Anno. He's an interesting person, as many others have said, like him or not as a director. Very nice column, Justin.
Which, as everyone else has said, is a load of BS. If any form of fiction was not done by depressed people, I'd say that entertainment would be a lot less interesting.
Uh, what? Unless I misunderstand you, Justin, I'm simply surprised that somewhat like you would have this incorrect belief. The movie still has the same message as the end of the television series, spoiler[and that final scene we get is essentially after Instrumentality ends in both the television series and the movie.] Not to mention that Shinji can be excused for his actions, or at least understood. spoiler[A lot of time has passed between Shinji coming back from the sea of LCL and to the state that we see him in at the final scene. Misato's rusted pendant and grave markers are visual evidence of that, never mind Shinji looks distinctly different than we've ever seen him. If you were promised that others would be returning to a ruined world that is beginning to heal itself and nobody does for weeks, perhaps over a month or two, in addition to everything else that happened, then you'd be a bit crazy too.] |
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Iritscen
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I'd have to agree with Justin on that point too. In the movie, Anno seems to have set out to make the most disturbing depiction of each of his characters. I don't know that it was an intentional f-you, but there was clearly some kind of resentment that led to it. Or perhaps profound depression beyond what manifested during his direction of the TV series. But it seems that Anno had completely given up on the idea of making something enjoyable and just decided to go full bore with the violence and grotesque imagery. For those who preferred the gentler more intelligent approach of the series' ending, it is essentially an f-you, whether meant that way or not. I mean, let's see: one story ends with spoiler[Shinji being applauded for deciding to accept the world and himself and his place in it and to bring back the people he knew], and the other ends with spoiler[him choking his would-be girlfriend]. Hmm. One is spoiler[happy], and one is spoiler[dark and nihilistic]. |
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HellKorn
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They were already f-ed up before. Now, if you're talking about "shit hits the fan" type of stuff, then I might concede that point...
The only backlash that Anno clearly took offense to, in my mind, was that after the Death and Rebirth airings. The "I kill you Anno I kill you" hate mail and graffitti on Gainax's HQ (or whatever the heck that building is) was in response to that, not the final two episodes. If he felt betrayed that fans "didn't get" the final two episodes, then why not show whatever negative response to "get back at them"? Instead we get showings of negativity that came as a result as something different, which indicates something else. Besides, Gainax apparently were already planning an OVA of sorts just before/as the final two episodes aired, not to mention that the a lot of events that happened in The End of Evangelion were part of the original script for the television series.
Which doesn't make much sense considering the finale of the television series is supposed to be that "initial breakthrough" that Anno was probably seeking. Anno's resentment, so to speak, against the otaku culture is one of love and hate, I'd suspect. "Oh, I hate you otaku, yet I love you at the same time. I love you because you're really just like me, but I hate you for the same reasons..." Not surprisingly a lot of the characters in Evangelion are like that as well.
We kind of got that here and there with some previous episodes. Admittedly they weren't on the level of EoE, but all the same... Not to mention that you can get away with more adult content with a movie or OVA compared to what you can have with television series (at least whatever timeslot NGE originally aired at). Heck, it was because of edits like those that led to standards being cracked down on for a good while, like say with Cowboy Bebop.
I wouldn't exactly call abandoning the plot to be intelligent. Hey, don't get me wrong, since I do like the last two episodes for Anno being ballsy enough to try something like that and, when complemented by EoE, what happens does make sense, but it wasn't exactly satisfactory to those of us who, y'know, wouldn't mind some clarity on the story.
Ha-ha, knowing how you felt about the movie I'm prepared to dig up this old post of mine: CLICK ME! spoiler[The movie is hardly nihilistic. Rei and Yui make it painstakingly clear what Anno is trying to same. The problem is the same in both, and the resolution is the same in both. EoE just goes a step further by showing the first step(s) of the resolution.] Evangelion is ultimately a story of one incredibly lonely young man who has largely been shunned. He can't come to love himself so he can't even begin to love others because he's never been shown love. Even when called upon he is only used. Eventually, though, he soon encounters those around him who give him attention and actually care about him in some way. In spite of this, he continues to struggle as do the others as they themselves are in little better condition than he is. These characters suffer break downs. They run away from reality. spoiler[Yet, when all hope seems lost, there is still hope, an answer for them out there. We see our hero awake to the cold reality that he continued to run away from. He then finds himself not alone anymore. He will continue to suffer pain, as will those around him, but by reaching out to others and learning to love himself, he can learn to love others. There is a chance for him and others like him to come back, rebuild, and for once truly live in reality. By the end of all this, Anno was also presumably in a similar condition, by having to deal with the harshness of the world one step at a time until he is able to find true happiness.] ... Meh, it was hard to type that without sounding corny, and it probably came off that way, but I think you see my point. |
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Iritscen
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Yeah, I'd say you summed it up well. Your post that you linked to also gave me a better understanding of what happened. I'm never going to like EoE, but it's good to know what he was getting at.
If I have anything original to add, it's that spoiler[Shinji never takes his anger out on other people, but only on himself. So his strangling Asuka could almost be viewed as his opening up and becoming someone able to express himself (OK, now a little less expresion, Shinji, thanks)]. You know, kind of like that great Simpsons episode when Ned Flanders has to learn to express his anger, and he politely informs his neighbors at the end that from now on, he'll let them know how he's feeling, and if they really tick him off, he'll run them over with his car. Last edited by Iritscen on Fri May 11, 2007 10:52 am; edited 1 time in total |
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