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HitokiriShadow
Joined: 09 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:59 pm
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Mohawk52 wrote: |
Inferrno wrote: |
I'll be sure to avoid watching titles like Strawberry Marshmallow and Moon Phase, titles deemed suitable for North American release. I wouldn't want to be lampooned by negativity by my fellow otaku. The horror! |
Are they loli? I was sure they were just moe, but what do I know?
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Part of the whole problem with the moe debate is that people don't even have a common definition. One person says "moe" and means one thing, someone else says "moe" and means something else. "Loli" can be the same way. One person refers to to Strawberry Marshmallow as loli because of the character designs and someone else suddenly thinks its pornographic (it's not).
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Joined: 05 Jan 2002
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:07 pm
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HitokiriShadow wrote: | LOLI CRAP |
Twice on the same page I said to knock it off with the loli conversation. Twice.
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Ai no Kareshi
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Location: South Africa
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:09 am
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Seriously, though, you should have seen this coming, Mr Zac. Asking a question about moe and expecting people not to debate lolicon - and correct me if I'm wrong about this - seems a lot like asking a question about Iraq and expecting people not to debate war. I'm not promoting the debate, just reflecting on it.
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Zac
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:58 am
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Ai no Kareshi wrote: | Seriously, though, you should have seen this coming, Mr Zac. Asking a question about moe and expecting people not to debate lolicon - and correct me if I'm wrong about this - seems a lot like asking a question about Iraq and expecting people not to debate war. I'm not promoting the debate, just reflecting on it. |
I let it go for like 3 pages. I said "stop".
It isn't some kind of failure on my part that I said "stop" twice and people decided to ignore it.
Unless I'm wrong and it is a failure that I didn't get severely draconian and say "stop or I'll ban you", which I could say and also follow through with if y'all wanna keep pushing me on this.
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Ramadahl
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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Location: MK, UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:02 am
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Zac wrote: | Unless I'm wrong and it is a failure that I didn't get severely draconian and say "stop or I'll ban you", which I could say and also follow through with if y'all wanna keep pushing me on this. |
Saying it, but not saying it at the same time. I like it .
On the oft-repeated subject of live-action films or series being made into anime, it always leaves me kinda nonplussed. It's not as if anime's intrinsically the better medium, so if it's available in one, why bother making the transition to another? In the case of books to video I can see some advantages, but not when it's live-action to anime, or vice versa.
While I'm sure that the discontinuity of anime:manga sales is at least in part due to manga being a lot more enjoyable to read as a tankoubon than on a screen (much though I love the YKK scanlations, I'd love the series to be translated and released over here more), I'd also like to think that manga being cheaper than dvds, and often being better, as having an impact. Laugh at my naivete if you will .
I'm pretty much with Zac on the next question - I'm fine with either the directors sticking religiously to the source or striking out on their own, but cases where a director has managed to produce something superior or even equal to the source after doing their own thing are few and far between. I'd say that Utena and Kare Kano (at least the part Anno directed) were better in the anime than the original manga, and FMA was hardly a bad ending (although I haven't read the manga to compare). On the other hand, we have things like Fruits Basket, RuroKen, Hellsing, Bokurano...
I didn't submit a response to last weeks moe question... I'm not especially enthralled with it, nor do I hate it, and such a neutral view seemed a little to lacklauster to send in. I'm fine with people carrying it on if that's their thing though. It doesn't hurt anyone, I don't have to have anything to do with it... and variety is the spice of life .
Edit: - Ooops, forgot to say how action-packed and hot-blooded the article was. Row row fight da power, etc... ^^
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Tyrenol
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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Location: Northern California
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:09 am
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With all due respect to hot chix 'n' explozionz:
I don't want my hobby of watching anime to suddenly become a niche market.
Niether do I want companies like 4Kids to ruin the whole anime-viewing experience.
Give me a show where everybody and their pet dog aren't huddled in some fetal position when it's time to fight or flee. Give me something that won't have someone from across the street call me a "pedophile." Give me what Michael Bay gave me when he released the live-action Transformers movie.
'sides; if I had a choice, I'd take hot chix anyday.
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tkwelge
Joined: 04 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:44 pm
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Ramadahl wrote: |
I'd also like to think that manga being cheaper than dvds, and often being better, as having an impact. Laugh at my naivete if you will .
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This is exactly how I feel. The fact that Manga is cheap and widly available (you can go into your local barnes&nobles or waldenbooks and be treated to an array of different manga series usually priced around 9 dollars a volume) makes it almost illogical to read scanalations unless you are just dirt poor.
My theory is that people tend to live their lives based on budgets. I can afford to spend about 30 dollars a month on anime, for example. 16 dollars a month goes to my netflix account, and I spend an additional 14 dollars a month (approximately) on dvds and merchandise. Then I make use of fansubs to fill in the gaps and help me keep up with "what's new" (once again, that's an availability issue, and not related to price). Now, if fansubs weren't available, I would probably still only spend 30 dollars a month on anime related goods, so it's not like the anime production companies are making less money off of me than they would be making anyway.
I still agree that fansubbing is stealing. I don't try to weasle myself into believing that I have a "right" to fansubs. I just think that the overall effect of fansubbing won't necessarily cripple the anime industry, but it will probably force them to charge less or find other sources of revenue to make up for any losses. Therefore, I would say that I have a fairly neutral opinion of fansubbing. It won't destroy anime, but I refuse to believe that fansubbing is an entitlement to anime fans or that fansubbing helps the anime industry.
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Levitz9
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:09 pm
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Um...I know this is kinda late but...
...where was my Answerman last week? I logged in on Friday, as usual, and I didn't see my weekly dose of questions, answeres, Flakes, or cute kitten photos, as per usual....
....must I get the switch?
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Mindless Watcher
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:51 am
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psycho 101 wrote: |
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Mohawk52 wrote: | If Urd is black then I'm Robert Mugabe's twin brother. Urd is tanned because her mother Hilde is tanned skinned, which I find sexy if not caused by sun damage, for that's what sun tanning is. A bit of fake tan spray paint and Alba is Urd. |
Considering that the goddess system is based on Norse mythology, Urd could not be black since the vikings (the most well travelled of the Norse races) had little if any exposure to sub-saharan Africa. She is most likely Mediterranean or Arab (who the vikings were in constant contact with for centuries and are curvaceous and dark skinned (well far darker than the vikings)). While a possibility, but rather unlikely, she could be Persian, Indian, or Abysinnian (all of which meet the body shape and color qualities, but had far less exposure to vikings).
As far as Jessica Alba is concerned, NO VAY, outside of the Orient, she would be completely unatractive up until the mid 20th century. Remember - bones are for dogs, a man needs meat. I am not too well versed in my world cinema, but any of a host of Bollywood actresses would fit the bill nicely (altough Urd's blatant sexyness might be a cultural problem if they want to work in Bollywood again). |
They used Norse mythology as a reference sure but it's not as if anime is 100% factual now is it? I mean how often does an anime use something that's factual as a reference or part of the show but add onto it? This is anime, not a documentary. So just because they use some norse mythology doesn't mean the show is going to be 100% factual. If the stuck to it 100% no she wouldn't be black but like I said this is anime and fiction. |
I find these attempts to racially classify an otherworldly being quite amusing. Especially considering that all the humans in the anime in question are undeniable of Japanese descent, a fact which would hardly be respected in a (highly improbable) Hollywood life action movie.
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Foaming Foamer
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:09 am
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Levitz9 wrote: | Um...I know this is kinda late but...
...where was my Answerman last week? I logged in on Friday, as usual, and I didn't see my weekly dose of questions, answeres, Flakes, or cute kitten photos, as per usual....
....must I get the switch? |
Yeah i'm wondering too
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