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kakitamike



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:23 am Reply with quote
How would giving NHK a reversible cover help with taking it up to the counter? You'd have to open it in the store and flip it over to make a difference. Of course, maybe you do your shopping differently then I do.
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The Ramblin' Wreck



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:09 am Reply with quote
Splash damage from a flame war turns into a very funny column.

I approve.
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halfadeckshort



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:20 am Reply with quote
kakitamike wrote:
How would giving NHK a reversible cover help with taking it up to the counter? You'd have to open it in the store and flip it over to make a difference. Of course, maybe you do your shopping differently then I do.


Usually the porn-ier side of the reversible covers are not the ones that are showing. You know, so you can get the goods without having to endure any indignant stares, and then embrace your seedier side by flipping the cover once you get home. Personally, I like the porntastic Welcome to the NHK! covers because, even though they do make for a little awkwardness at the register, they're a bit of a window into Sato's delusional brain. Or maybe I'm just into pr0n... or education, rather. Wink
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Stullz



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:22 am Reply with quote
Yeah... suzuka... I still enjoy the show, good popcorn stuff and I laugh at the characters.

And Welcome to the NHK is one of the best ever. The dark look at humanity and the hope that comes out of it in the end is amazing (if it continues to follow the manga and novel) so much fun.

And yeah cover art can be embarassing. especially some of geneon's reversible covers if you have to take a dvd back (had to replace the box set for Kanazuki no Miko, very revealing reverse art.) But as an Anime fan I refuse to let myself feel embarrassed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:45 am Reply with quote
I lost any and all interest in "Welcome to the NHK" anime and manga once I read the original novel, which is simply fabulous and takes the issues of the main character more seriously....

I haven't seen "Suzaku" nor "Phoenix," but your absolutely right with "Hell Girl," this is the point where it starts getting good. I'm still debating whether I want to get this series, or just the last five episodes, which were an emotional roller coaster of an ending.
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james039



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:09 pm Reply with quote
kakitamike wrote:
How would giving NHK a reversible cover help with taking it up to the counter? You'd have to open it in the store and flip it over to make a difference. Of course, maybe you do your shopping differently then I do.


Well, naturally one would assume so that the front cover can be made SFW (or maybe in this SFS (Safe for shopping)) so that the sexy version is printed on the inside for those that want to flip it after.

I usually buy anime at specialty shops anyway, where they "get" it. Welcome to the NHK gives new meaning to the expression "Don't judge a book by it's cover" or in this case, a DVD. Well, then again, maybe since spoiler[Sato is making a ero-game] that justifies the cover?
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Sam Murai



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:34 pm Reply with quote
halfadeckshort wrote:
kakitamike wrote:
How would giving NHK a reversible cover help with taking it up to the counter? You'd have to open it in the store and flip it over to make a difference. Of course, maybe you do your shopping differently then I do.


Usually the porn-ier side of the reversible covers are not the ones that are showing. You know, so you can get the goods without having to endure any indignant stares, and then embrace your seedier side by flipping the cover once you get home. Personally, I like the porntastic Welcome to the NHK! covers because, even though they do make for a little awkwardness at the register, they're a bit of a window into Sato's delusional brain. Or maybe I'm just into pr0n... or education, rather. Wink


Even if reversible covers were desired, images would be hard to come by given the relative lack of NHK promo art. I suppose the other alternative could have been a plain slipcase with the logo and volume idenifier, with a shadowed (over the racier parts) preview look of the actual cover image.

Personally, I'm pretty surprised (and pleased) to see the sort of attention that the show has gotten. I thought that people would be turned off by its style and content, but it appears that it has recieved a good amount of positive opinions. It certainly is an un-GONZO-like series, but it is one of their best and shows the studio's continuing trend of expanding its creative horizons both story-wise and artistically.
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Basroil



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:10 pm Reply with quote
I liked the show (NHK) but not quite enough to buy the single disc releases. However these covers ADV is putting out ( Shocked ) have me seriously reconsidering that decision.
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Richard J.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:44 pm Reply with quote
Bamboo, whether I disagree with you or not, you've always got style. Great way to turn the mess from last time into fun this time.

On Suzuka: I'm kind of way behind, but I have a strange love for bitchy, irritable and downright hostile women. I think it's my inner masochist or possibly the fact I had a friend growing up who acted more than a little like the title character of Suzuka. Either way, I'm eventually going to get this volume. (I'm pretty far behind on this series.)

On Phoenix: My only thought is "why in the blue blazes of Satan's grill did this get an English dub and not Simoun or Strawberry Panic!"

It makes me want to drink.

On Welcome to the NHK: I want to get this series but at the same time, I don't. I've got far too much in common with Sato personality wise. (Especially the rampant "people are looking down on me" part.)

Would the nun version of Misaki be a less embarrassing cover or a more embarrassing cover? (And if anyone is embarrassed, buy online.)

On Hell Girl: Ah, dear Bamboo, Ai might only be a rental for you but she is indeed a must-buy for me. (Oddly enough, your joking bit at the end actually does kind of fit me.)

I think it's the individual stories, the overall atmosphere, and the fact that I just love Ai as a character with or without back history. She's interesting to me. Though there will be a full explanation of her back story eventually and many of the episodes to come are excellent. (At least in my opinion.)

Eh, agree or disagree, I always respect your opinion. I've found that if I disagree with one of your reviews, you usually point out the very aspects of the show that I like and when I agree with one of your reviews, it's usually for the same reasons or similar reasons.

For the record, I rather like Magikano, but I couldn't argue with much of anything you wrote in your review (except perhaps the characterization of it's fans) and thus stayed out of the mess. Take it as a sign of your popularity that people can get that annoyed at you. After all, there's no point in being angry at a none-person, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:55 pm Reply with quote
Richard J. wrote:
Take it as a sign of your popularity that people can get that annoyed at you. After all, there's no point in being angry at a none-person, right?


Remember that Bamboo is a professional and already knows this; however, it is an opinion column, and no matter how much you want to espouse the "never get annoyed at the countless throngs of people slinging mud at you" thing, eventually you have to say something.
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Apterous



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:09 pm Reply with quote
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Adapted from Osamu Tezuka's manga of the same name, the series has 25 episodes...


Err, actually, Phoenix just has 13 episodes. Unless you have 12 more secret episodes that were withheld from the public that will never see the light of day, and you will review them but never release them so that we will instead have to fill that hole in our Tezuka-loving, meaning-of-life-craving souls with... Suzuka.

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Emerje



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:25 pm Reply with quote
Sam Murai wrote:
Even if reversible covers were desired, images would be hard to come by given the relative lack of NHK promo art. I suppose the other alternative could have been a plain slipcase with the logo and volume idenifier, with a shadowed (over the racier parts) preview look of the actual cover image.


I'm sure ADV could just go to their art department to make a reasonable cover. All they'd have to do is dress up some random screen-caps from the episodes on the disc to make a cohesive cover image. FUNimation did that with all of their Dragonball releases back when they were still considered an anime upstart, it would be nothing for ADV to do something impressive today.

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Richard J.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:39 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Remember that Bamboo is a professional and already knows this; however, it is an opinion column, and no matter how much you want to espouse the "never get annoyed at the countless throngs of people slinging mud at you" thing, eventually you have to say something.
Zac, I was just trying to cap the post with a "don't let the over zealous idiots get you down" type of ending. I never said she shouldn't get annoyed or say something about it. Personally, I'm often amazed by the sheer patience she's shown in various situations. I think Bamboo often goes beyond what is typically expected of a professional.

And while I'm quite sure Bamboo already knows what I said is true, she's a very intelligent woman after all, a little reinforcement never killed anyone.
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Goodpenguin



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Personally, I'm often amazed by the sheer patience she's shown in various situations. I think Bamboo often goes beyond what is typically expected of a professional.

And while I'm quite sure Bamboo already knows what I said is true, she's a very intelligent woman after all, a little reinforcement never killed anyone.


This is by no means a negative shot at anything or anyone, but the 'lets all rush in and save the reviewer' white knight routine can be as odd as the 'let's attack the reviewer' mentality.

The whole earth-shattering 'controversy' amounted to a very small handful of posters, one of which who had trouble expressing themselves in english, largely flatly miss-understanding the reviewers brief aside as an attack on all T & A style anime rather then a narrow comment on the undercurrent of one specific scene. I was kind of surprised to see the reviewer bother to get involved defensively as she did, and even more surprised to see a huffy, defensive tone carry over to this column given what a trifle of a spat it was (though I certainly don't disagree with her assessment that anime/manga can carry some decently offensive gender related currents).

In any 'opinion column' situation there is always going to be an amount of 'off-the-wall' criticism, that just goes with the territory. Mounting an over-reactive defense just turns a molehill into mountain.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:39 pm Reply with quote
Goodpenguin wrote:

In any 'opinion column' situation there is always going to be an amount of 'off-the-wall' criticism, that just goes with the territory. Mounting an over-reactive defense just turns a molehill into mountain.


I don't personally believe it's an "over-reactive defense". Over the many years she - and I, and almost every other professional critic I know - has dealt with a lot of folks who honestly believe "you said something bad about the show, that means you're biased" or give impassioned arguments that all reviews should only ever focus on the positive things about a title and should always end with "if you like [genre trait] or [character type], you'll love this show!". It's really a silly stance to have and shows a general misunderstanding of what a review is supposed to be. This article - at least my interpretation of it - while it might come across as a direct response to last week's kerfuffle, it really is more of a sarcastic indictment of that mode of thinking, based on evidence gathered (and barely tolerated) over the years. It's not really based on just one event, but an entire - seemingly popular and vocal - mindset.
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