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NEWS: Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory Blu-ray Box to Include New Picture Drama


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Nyren



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:57 pm Reply with quote
That's great and all, but they really should fix that ending. The art and animation was astounding for the time and is still some of the best, but the story really took a dive in that last episode.
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Angel M Cazares



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:29 pm Reply with quote
I just placed a pre-order for it. Yes, it is not a well made story, but Gundam 0083 is among the best animated works I have watched. And it would be nice if Bandai Visual added at least English subtitles to this box set.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:56 pm Reply with quote
I think 0083 is one of the best Gundam stories I've seen and just a powerful war tale about people finding purpose within or outside of conflicts in the Universal Century, but I think the change in directors mid-way and some story elements being a bit scattered hinder its greatness a bit. Wish they would do a redux of the OVA or something to even it out (kind of like that manga is doing), but the original still has some great animation going for it and there's still a cool story at its core there.
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Majin Tenshi



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:51 pm Reply with quote
Will get it if it contains English sub for sure.
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WatchforMoons7



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:18 pm Reply with quote
More Cima, all good. At first, I thought, "New? When we already have Space Mayfly", plus various materials of Cima's past from gundam video games and the CD Drama (a good listen for Mashiba Mari's performance).

But I guess we can see more of her background animated.
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Radrappy



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:24 pm Reply with quote
I think that up to about 3/4s of the way through this show offers the superior gundam experience. Dat ending tho. yuck.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:31 pm Reply with quote
Radrappy wrote:
I think that up to about 3/4s of the way through this show offers the superior gundam experience. Dat ending tho. yuck.


Without that ending it would have been the best Gundam easily for delivering on action. It's like 90s Sunrise knew they had to mar their otherwise perfect OVAs as to not show up 0079 or something, since the final episode of 08th MS Team is also crud.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:03 pm Reply with quote
Well as one of my favorite series in the Gunamn franchise I figure I will no doubt get this. Finally upgrade my old bootleg vhs tapes heh. While the ending was less than desirable it was not bad enough for me to loose the enjoyment I had watching the series up to that point.
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the-antihero



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:32 pm Reply with quote
They better not be stingy with the audio options. Put the dub on it and it'll be worth buying, if not, forget it. I hate sub-only releases.
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Zetabag



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:44 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Radrappy wrote:
I think that up to about 3/4s of the way through this show offers the superior gundam experience. Dat ending tho. yuck.


Without that ending it would have been the best Gundam easily for delivering on action. It's like 90s Sunrise knew they had to mar their otherwise perfect OVAs as to not show up 0079 or something, since the final episode of 08th MS Team is also crud.


Wouldn't say 08th MS Team's last episode is terrible but it was weird and overall pointless. "Last Resort" didn't really add or take anything from the previous eleven episodes that came before it (which told a complete story), so at least it can easily be ignored.

0083's last episode on the other hand just left too many things unclear and left the series feeling incomplete in terms of both story and characters.

Angel'sArcanum wrote:
I think the change in directors mid-way and some story elements being a bit scattered hinder its greatness a bit. Wish they would do a redux of the OVA or something to even it out (kind of like that manga is doing), but the original still has some great animation going for it and there's still a cool story at its core there.


It's unlikely that the change in director had any significant effect on the quality of 0083's writing. From what I understand the writing for the remaining episodes had already been complete when the director switch accrued and no changes were made by the director.

Same thing goes with the 08th MS Team and it's director dying in a car crash about half way through the series.

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Prince Gotonoke



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:44 pm Reply with quote
My favorite UC work, even with that terrible ending and the piss poor "comedy" they had. Seeing it in High Def will be amazing..... if it has subs, or rightstuf's license somehow covers this as well and they do decide to release it in blu-ray form over here.
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Wait, people didn't like the ending of 0083? I thought the ending was great. They managed to tie up the Kou/Gato thing fairly well, but the best part was how it did an incredible job in the post Solomon episodes showing how the world ended up where it was at the start of Zeta.

Is it the little love triangle they had going that you guys hate? I thought that was unnecessary, but that was also set up early on so it isn't really an ending issue.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:07 am Reply with quote
I didn't dislike the ending but I do remember rewinding the tape (lol) because I thought I had missed something. I'll be getting this set eventually. It has a large enough print window for me to take my time.

I was never a fan of Cima. I've always hated having to fight her in Super Robot Wars with a severely underpowered GP-01.
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Zetabag



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:45 am Reply with quote
SilverTalon01 wrote:
Wait, people didn't like the ending of 0083? I thought the ending was great. They managed to tie up the Kou/Gato thing fairly well, but the best part was how it did an incredible job in the post Solomon episodes showing how the world ended up where it was at the start of Zeta.

Is it the little love triangle they had going that you guys hate? I thought that was unnecessary, but that was also set up early on so it isn't really an ending issue.


Eh, despite my criticism I actually think its ok. I do like how the events lead to the spoiler[formation of the Titans] (something that never really was explained before 0083 came out). However there are quite a few things that make it feel incomplete. One of the biggest criticisms is that spoiler[ Cima's connection with the federation was never adequately explained ] which it should have been since her involvement with them raises a lot of questions and implications.

Then there is the rivalry between Kou and Gato which IMO felt unresolved. Their final battle felt like a let down and they didn't even get to finish it.

As for the love triangle. I don't hate it, but it really was pointless and took up valuable time that could have been spent on Kou and Gato's rivalry. It also completely derailed the relationship between Kou and Nina, which I would not have mind if the show didn't spend so much time on it . I understand the love triangle was something hinted at as far back as episode 6, but it barely got any mention after that. The last half of the last episode was not a good time to bring it up especially since there were more important things to resolve.

Finally you have spoiler[Gato's weird comment about Jaburo not being the target of the colony drop ] which raises a big WTF.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:12 pm Reply with quote
Zetabag wrote:
One of the biggest criticisms is that spoiler[ Cima's connection with the federation was never adequately explained ] which it should have been since her involvement with them raises a lot of questions and implications.


I disagree. I think it was pretty clear that spoiler[she was in it for personal gain, her own survival, and was not loyal to Zeon. Sure, we don't know by who and when she was approached and turned], but do we need to?

Zetabag wrote:
Then there is the rivalry between Kou and Gato which IMO felt unresolved. Their final battle felt like a let down and they didn't even get to finish it.


I think their rivalry was really spoiler[concluded at Solomon]. Their conflict was really Gato refusing to accept that some rookie could get in his way and Kou seeking recognition/respectspoiler[ which was resolved at Solomon].

Yes, they did want to fight each other at the end, but that wasn't the focus. The focus was Nina and spoiler[the colony drop]. While I'm not big on the Nina part, I don't think they needed to or should have made the ending primarily about Kou and Gato. This isn't a full length series where a bunch of stuff and quite a few episodes separate the two fights. We just had a solid spoiler[conclusion at Solomon], and nothing really has changed with the exception of the love triangle being revealed to Kou (was pretty clear to the viewer before) which isn't about just Kou and Gato which offers no reason that the conflict between just the two again steal the spotlight.

Zetabag wrote:
I understand the love triangle was something hinted at as far back as episode 6, but it barely got any mention after that. The last half of the last episode was not a good time to bring it up especially since there were more important things to resolve.


I think it was actually sort of hinted as early as episode 1 where Nina seemed to recognize Gato. I mean at that point you don't know what their connection might be, but it seemed likely they had one. You said at the start of your post that one of your complaints was that some things felt incomplete. Nina's connection with Gato had been built up for a while. Not resolving that would be a far more significant example of something left incomplete than what you pointed out with regard to Cima. They also kind of did have to do it in the last half of the last episode because spoiler[that colony was really the only plausible place where they might be able to meet up].

Zetabag wrote:
Finally you have spoiler[Gato's weird comment about Jaburo not being the target of the colony drop ] which raises a big WTF.


That seemed a bit off to me at first as well, but remember the spoiler[federation had plenty of time to evacuate by the time the colony would hit so they would just be hitting an empty base. If it just happened to come down on Jaburo, I don't think they would have cared, but iirc the main thing was that they didn't want it to land on a city.]
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