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crosswithyou
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 Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:22 pm
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| ayashe wrote: | | Good thing it wasn't Viewfinder, the shock probably would have killed him. |
My thoughts exactly. XDDD
While I agree that parents are responsible for making sure what their kids are checking out at the library, at the same time I think the person processing the check-out should be a little more attentive and raise some questions when seeing a 10 y/o trying to check out a book with a parental advisory label on it. ...Or was the kid using one of those automated checkout systems that scan and check out the books without the need of a clerk?
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tygerchickchibi
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:24 pm
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If they want the kids to explore more options, it needs to be with parental approval. I don't call having a 10 yo reading yaoi as exploring options.
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Hmm?
But I wasn't talking about yaoi. I was speaking in general. I read books higher than my own grade level, and some of the content in the books I've read had adult situations, including sexual ones.
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nargun
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:28 pm
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Is anyone willing to put a dollar value on the lost innocence of children? How much money do people think you should pay a ten-year-old to compensate them for the mental impact of exposure to too much pornography?
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hikaru004
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:34 pm
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| tygerchickchibi wrote: |
| hikaru004 wrote: | |
If they want the kids to explore more options, it needs to be with parental approval. I don't call having a 10 yo reading yaoi as exploring options.
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Hmm?
But I wasn't talking about yaoi. I was speaking in general. I read books higher than my own grade level, and some of the content in the books I've read had adult situations, including sexual ones. |
It's up to the parents to decide. In this situation, the parent didn't enter into the equation.
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tygerchickchibi
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:39 pm
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| hikaru004 wrote: | |
It's up to the parents to decide. In this situation, the parent didn't enter into the equation. |
I'm not disagreeing with you..?
...did I say something wrong?
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dragon695
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:40 pm
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| Polycell wrote: | | The library seems to be treating this as a book target at adults, rather than an adult book. I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if the folks who responded didn't know anything about it beyond what their catalog says. |
considering that it is under adult non fiction I would totally agree with that.
I would also ask why they bought that book instead of something more objectively good or at least popular. |
Something with boobies, you mean?
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Tanteikingdomkey
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:52 pm
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| dragon695 wrote: |
| Tanteikingdomkey wrote: |
| Polycell wrote: | | The library seems to be treating this as a book target at adults, rather than an adult book. I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if the folks who responded didn't know anything about it beyond what their catalog says. |
considering that it is under adult non fiction I would totally agree with that.
I would also ask why they bought that book instead of something more objectively good or at least popular. |
Something with boobies, you mean? |
there is plenty of critically acclaimed manga that is suitable for people around her age. yotsuba! Skip Beat! or how about something like pluto, 20th century boys etc.
Just curious does anyone here ACTUALLY think it is ok that she checked out that manga in the first place (putting aside the question, hard as it may be, of who to blame)
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Sunday Silence
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:54 pm
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| nargun wrote: | | Is anyone willing to put a dollar value on the lost innocence of children? How much money do people think you should pay a ten-year-old to compensate them for the mental impact of exposure to too much pornography? |
A buck fifty.
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nobahn
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:00 pm
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| tygerchickchibi wrote: |
| hikaru004 wrote: | |
It's up to the parents to decide. In this situation, the parent didn't enter into the equation. |
I'm not disagreeing with you..?
...did I say something wrong? |
Nahhh, you did not say anything wrong; hikaru004 needs to be more explicit about exactly what he means.
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Tanteikingdomkey
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:15 pm
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| nbahn wrote: |
| tygerchickchibi wrote: |
| hikaru004 wrote: | |
It's up to the parents to decide. In this situation, the parent didn't enter into the equation. |
I'm not disagreeing with you..?
...did I say something wrong? |
Nahhh, you did not say anything wrong; hikaru004 needs to be more explicit about exactly what he means. |
I think they mean, in order to get decide what is apporpite the parents need to be there. they weren't and thus you should have waited for them before checking out the books.
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Beryl7
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:21 pm
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| Tanteikingdomkey wrote: | |
Just curious does anyone here ACTUALLY think it is ok that she checked out that manga in the first place (putting aside the question, hard as it may be, of who to blame) |
THANK YOU. That's what should be bothering people more. As I see it, this should have nothing to do with individual rights or the advanced sexual maturity of minors. This is a 10-year-old, a small child, reading porn. I'm in my 20's and that disturbs me. She's getting to the age where her parents/gaurdians need to monitor her interests. Regardless of what sub-genre it is (yaoi, yuri, straight hentai), ideally, she shouldn't know what any of that is, not for a few years at least. I hope I'm not out of line, but it seems like common sense.
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tygerchickchibi
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:27 pm
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| Tanteikingdomkey wrote: | |
Just curious does anyone here ACTUALLY think it is ok that she checked out that manga in the first place (putting aside the question, hard as it may be, of who to blame) |
THANK YOU. That's what should be bothering people more. As I see it, this should have nothing to do with individual rights or the advanced sexual maturity of minors. This is a 10-year-old, a small child, reading porn. I'm in my 20's and that disturbs me. She's getting to the age where her parents/gaurdians need to monitor her interests. Regardless of what sub-genre it is (yaoi, yuri, straight hentai), ideally, she shouldn't know what any of that is, not for a few years at least. I hope I'm not out of line, but it seems like common sense. |
Well, that's the point of where people are talking about the parents monitoring her interest because of the fact that she IS reading it, rather than the library?
And actually, while it does bother me that she did read it, it does NOT surprise me when children encounter these sorts of incidents, so to speak. It happens many times, whether it's at home or otherwise. I don't think anyone is complacent about the fact that she read the book, but in any case it was possible that curiosity came afoot. It could've been her first book that she came across.
Sorry if no one announced it, I guess.
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Tanteikingdomkey
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:28 pm
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| Beryl7 wrote: |
| Tanteikingdomkey wrote: | |
Just curious does anyone here ACTUALLY think it is ok that she checked out that manga in the first place (putting aside the question, hard as it may be, of who to blame) |
THANK YOU. That's what should be bothering people more. As I see it, this should have nothing to do with individual rights or the advanced sexual maturity of minors. This is a 10-year-old, a small child, reading porn. I'm in my 20's and that disturbs me. She's getting to the age where her parents/gaurdians need to monitor her interests. Regardless of what sub-genre it is (yaoi, yuri, straight hentai), ideally, she shouldn't know what any of that is, not for a few years at least. I hope I'm not out of line, but it seems like common sense. |
Glad someone else is having a similar reaction. if it was wondering son I could see how that might apply though she is way to young to be thinking about that I think. but yaoi at her age....DANG that is way to young, call me prude if you will but that is far to young, atleast 15 before touching something like that
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dragon695
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:32 pm
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| Tanteikingdomkey wrote: |
| dragon695 wrote: |
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| Polycell wrote: | | The library seems to be treating this as a book target at adults, rather than an adult book. I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if the folks who responded didn't know anything about it beyond what their catalog says. |
considering that it is under adult non fiction I would totally agree with that.
I would also ask why they bought that book instead of something more objectively good or at least popular. |
Something with boobies, you mean? |
there is plenty of critically acclaimed manga that is suitable for people around her age. yotsuba! Skip Beat! or how about something like pluto, 20th century boys etc.
Just curious does anyone here ACTUALLY think it is ok that she checked out that manga in the first place (putting aside the question, hard as it may be, of who to blame) |
It's like hearing a congresswoman cry on C-SPAN because their precious 10-year old caucasian son saw a black titty during the Superbowl half-time show. I couldn't care less...
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PurpleWarrior13
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:46 pm
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While the person complaining clearly doesn't understand exactly what anime/manga is, I'm glad the library handled this well. There are many books at a library with inappropriate content, and the library itself shouldn't have to police who should and shouldn't check out a specific title (and who are they to decide what is and isn't appropriate to what audience? There isn't a nationally-enforced book rating system...). If a parent is so concerned about their child being exposed to certain content, how about they learn about what their children are reading before it's "too late". It's their job and responsibility after all... One of the people in charge of that girl could've easily looked through the book (or better yet, the content-warning label), and prevented her from checking out such a book...
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